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Offline nobleisthyname

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« Reply #275: July 30, 2024, 06:52:12 PM »
Would have preferred Finnegan have been traded but he'll be useful next year even if he reverts to his expected stats. Solid trade deadline overall. A lot of depth added to the system.

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« Reply #276: July 30, 2024, 07:03:14 PM »
Floro didn’t have have massive value like Tanner Scott. I typically prefer low minors lottery tickets, but I am less irritated than I would be with a typical likely AAAA player.

The Nationals have serious holes at DH and 1B/3B. Brady House is too far away to consider him a 3B solution. I need months more of production from Yepez and Ramirez before I give any thought to them as long term options.

Chaparro maybe found something with his swing and could slip into one of those roles.

I’m fine with Rizzo loading up in corner IF. Most prospects don’t make it, so load up on more tickets and one may turn into a prize.

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« Reply #277: July 30, 2024, 07:38:14 PM »
I dig it. Might as well let one of the two young guys finish out the season at 3B.

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« Reply #278: July 30, 2024, 07:39:27 PM »
The Nats nibbled around the edges while the O's appear to have eaten the whole pie...
The BLOS got the dregs of the Phillies bullpen. Seranthony and Soto have problems finding the strike zone. And when they do the ball gets hit hard. Add that to Kimbrel who has not been very good this and probably cooked.  The three of them combined are 0.3 bWAR this year.  Have no idea what they’re doing.  Surprised they didn’t snag a top reliever.

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« Reply #279: July 30, 2024, 07:40:58 PM »
La Sorsa has earned a call up to replace Floro.

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« Reply #280: July 30, 2024, 08:07:15 PM »
The BLOS got the dregs of the Phillies bullpen. Seranthony and Soto have problems finding the strike zone. And when they do the ball gets hit hard. Add that to Kimbrel who has not been very good this and probably cooked.  The three of them combined are 0.3 bWAR this year.  Have no idea what they’re doing.  Surprised they didn’t snag a top reliever.

Replacing 7 of your 26 roster spots was a bold move indeed...

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« Reply #281: July 30, 2024, 08:18:12 PM »
Only 4 of our projected opening day starters are left. Winker, Robles, Thomas, senzel, and Meneses are gone and gallo is hurt.

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« Reply #282: July 30, 2024, 08:30:59 PM »
Replacing 7 of your 26 roster spots was a bold move indeed...
I lost track. Did they get a starting pitcher?

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« Reply #283: July 30, 2024, 08:34:34 PM »
A starter from the Marlins

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« Reply #284: July 30, 2024, 09:20:51 PM »
I dig it. Might as well let one of the two young guys finish out the season at 3B.

Cleaning out the pen also gives the Nats a better look at their own AAAA pitchers to see who should stick on the 40 over the winter.

Chaparro discussed here among the also rans in the D-backs system. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/arizona-diamondbacks-top-49-prospects-2024/

35+ FV, had been in the NYY system up to this year.

Seems about right.  That OPS is in Reno, where he was one of five regulars with an OPS of .925 or higher.  If you're hitting the same as Pavin Smith, you're not lighting the world on fire. Still worth a shot, but gotta see him outside of Reno. 

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« Reply #285: July 30, 2024, 09:58:32 PM »
Golden says the Nats were never really after Carlson.

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« Reply #286: July 31, 2024, 10:38:24 AM »
Seems about right.  That OPS is in Reno, where he was one of five regulars with an OPS of .925 or higher.  If you're hitting the same as Pavin Smith, you're not lighting the world on fire. Still worth a shot, but gotta see him outside of Reno.

The stadium there is 4,385 feet above sea level. 

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« Reply #287: July 31, 2024, 11:32:33 AM »
Other than I guess Paredes, was Winker the best bat moved this deadline?

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« Reply #288: July 31, 2024, 02:06:01 PM »
Not moving Finnegan is such a disappointment.

Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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« Reply #289: July 31, 2024, 02:08:54 PM »
Do you ever stop drinking the kool aid?  Stop complaining about me and think a little more critically.

How is what has happened the past few years different than the years from 2009-2011 when Rizzo became GM and built what led up to a very successful run from 2012-2019?  You can complain about what led to a depleted system and need to rebuild, but I can’t fathom how anyone who understands baseball whatsoever doesn’t see that the past few years were exactly what you have to do at the point we were at.

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« Reply #290: July 31, 2024, 02:11:31 PM »
How is what has happened the past few years different than the years from 2009-2011 when Rizzo became GM and built what led up to a very successful run from 2012-2019?  You can complain about what led to a depleted system and need to rebuild, but I can’t fathom how anyone who understands baseball whatsoever doesn’t see that the past few years were exactly what you have to do at the point we were at.

Exactly.

Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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« Reply #291: July 31, 2024, 02:17:32 PM »
Exactly.

I wish Soto would have signed an extension, but he wasn’t doing that for anyone.  Rizzo did the right thing and got a system-changing haul.  I wish Harper would’ve signed an extension in 2018, but we still won it without him.  Rendon was a blessing to let leave.  I wish we had the same luck with Stras leaving after 2019.  Trea would’ve made us better obviously, but not a contender, and I don’t think he’s going to age super well losing athleticism.  He still will hit for decent average and pop, but he’s not going to be a SS and not going to steal a ton of bases.  I wish the return for him and Max was better, obviously.  It looked fine on paper at the time, but overall the return on all the guys traded the past few years I’m pleased with.

Offline IanRubbish

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« Reply #292: July 31, 2024, 02:52:14 PM »
How is what has happened the past few years different than the years from 2009-2011 when Rizzo became GM and built what led up to a very successful run from 2012-2019?  You can complain about what led to a depleted system and need to rebuild, but I can’t fathom how anyone who understands baseball whatsoever doesn’t see that the past few years were exactly what you have to do at the point we were at.

Are you kidding me?  The farm is nowhere near where it should be for all this losing, nor are the trade hauls outside of the Soto deal.  Dylan Crews and his 9 HRs aren't going to suddenly change the direction of this team, whose offense is 30 points of OPS worse than it was last year, never mind when they were winning.

As a 49er fan, I witnessed serious dysfunction there 8-9 years ago in the Tomsula/Kelly era, with owner Jed York famously saying "we don't fire owners".  The fanbase viewed the team as cooked until they proved otherwise, no amount of PR or draft pick hype would change that.  Perceptions only reversed when John Lynch made great draft picks with George Kittle and Fred Warner in later rounds, and they actually performed.  He also admitted to a mistake with Trey Lance without being defensive which Rizzo would never do in spite of his awful first round draft picks.   Contrast that to DC, where when I lived there, the fanbase would get excited about Steve Spurrier, Deion, Albert Haynesworth, Joe Gibbs 2, RG3, and whatever else offseason hype Snyder could generate.  All BEFORE anyone actually did their job.   The way some people are willing to celebrate unproven prospects who are only getting modest results in the minors, and regurgitating Rizzo's nonsense that the only way to win is to lose for 5+ years, continues to make me believe that DC fans can be won over with promises and PR, without anyone actually producing.   


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« Reply #293: July 31, 2024, 03:09:57 PM »
Are you kidding me?  The farm is nowhere near where it should be for all this losing, nor are the trade hauls outside of the Soto deal. 
I'm guessing that after this trade deadline, they are a consensus top 5-10 system even after graduating the top prospect in baseball, Wood. They will also have above average players at at least 3 positions (LF, CF, SS) without considering Crews, and an average 2nd baseman in Garcia. 3 rotation slots well established, too.

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« Reply #294: July 31, 2024, 03:12:17 PM »
I'm guessing that after this trade deadline, they are a consensus top 5-10 system even after graduating the top prospect in baseball, Wood.

The question then becomes - how far away from the Bigs are those guys?

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« Reply #295: July 31, 2024, 03:14:24 PM »
The question then becomes - how far away from the Bigs are those guys?
if you go to https://www.mlb.com/prospects/nationals it shows you expected arrival year, but I've found that it is generally very conservative.

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« Reply #296: July 31, 2024, 03:15:22 PM »
The question then becomes - how far away from the Bigs are those guys?
Crews will start next year opening day vs Philly barring injury. House is probably further away. I count catcher as a below average position, leaving more or less 1b/DH as mysteries and 3B as temporarily plugged by roster depth (Tena, Chaparro, or maybe Wallace) before House is ready.

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« Reply #297: July 31, 2024, 03:20:25 PM »
Are you kidding me?  The farm is nowhere near where it should be for all this losing, nor are the trade hauls outside of the Soto deal.  Dylan Crews and his 9 HRs aren't going to suddenly change the direction of this team, whose offense is 30 points of OPS worse than it was last year, never mind when they were winning.

As a 49er fan, I witnessed serious dysfunction there 8-9 years ago in the Tomsula/Kelly era, with owner Jed York famously saying "we don't fire owners".  The fanbase viewed the team as cooked until they proved otherwise, no amount of PR or draft pick hype would change that.  Perceptions only reversed when John Lynch made great draft picks with George Kittle and Fred Warner in later rounds, and they actually performed.  He also admitted to a mistake with Trey Lance without being defensive which Rizzo would never do in spite of his awful first round draft picks.   Contrast that to DC, where when I lived there, the fanbase would get excited about Steve Spurrier, Deion, Albert Haynesworth, Joe Gibbs 2, RG3, and whatever else offseason hype Snyder could generate.  All BEFORE anyone actually did their job.   The way some people are willing to celebrate unproven prospects who are only getting modest results in the minors, and regurgitating Rizzo's nonsense that the only way to win is to lose for 5+ years, continues to make me believe that DC fans can be won over with promises and PR, without anyone actually producing.

You need look back at Harper’s minor league numbers before writing Crews off.  Not saying Crews will win multiple MVPs and be a Hall of Famer, but if you were posting in 2011 you’d be saying all these same things you’re saying now.

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« Reply #298: July 31, 2024, 03:26:07 PM »
The question then becomes - how far away from the Bigs are those guys?

Crews and House are probably 650-700 OPS hitters next year optimistically.  Might be better in '26 but there's a burn in period like Wood has right now.

The other guys from this year's deadline might be journeymen fill ins at best.  There's really not many hitters to get excited about besides Crews and House in the system, which is part of the problem. 

In 2012, the team had six everyday batters with OPS's > .790, and that was with the pitcher still hitting.  Next year you have Wood, CJ, maybe Yepez. Not enough.   You also had the first full year of Davey Johnson in 2012 who was a big upgrade over Riggleman.  If you have Davey and Darnell still telling everyone to swing at everything next year that's a separate problem that still has to be fixed.

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« Reply #299: July 31, 2024, 03:40:16 PM »
You need look back at Harper’s minor league numbers before writing Crews off.  Not saying Crews will win multiple MVPs and be a Hall of Famer, but if you were posting in 2011 you’d be saying all these same things you’re saying now.

I was posting in 2011, just not here, and we had the day of glory that year when Davey Johnson replaced the appalling Jim Riggleman.  But in addition to Harper in the minors, there was Michael Morse who was motivated beyond belief even though Riggleman would often bench him, not to mention Zimm, J-Zimm, Werth, and a hurt but had proven himself Stras.   

There were no salary deferrals then, no long-time manager or coaches with bad strategies that hadn't worked for years, and Rizzo was relatively new, and still had to prove himself.   While Mini Me shagging fly balls in the OF then was a good laugh, the 2011 team was much better and much more promising than this one.

Crews might be really good in a few years, but he won't be enough next year to put this team over the top.