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Offline rileyn

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« Reply #175: August 07, 2023, 07:53:02 AM »
Bryce says during the Phillies postgame radio interview, "I wish I started my career here......"

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« Reply #176: August 07, 2023, 08:13:16 AM »
Bryce says during the Phillies postgame radio interview, "I wish I started my career here......"

Nice thing to say. Phillie fans just showed uncharacteristic class by giving Trea a standing ovation.

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« Reply #177: August 07, 2023, 09:38:43 AM »
Nice thing to say. Phillie fans just showed uncharacteristic class by giving Trea a standing ovation.
Second time theyve done that (Alec Bohm)

Philly fans being nice. What a time to be alive

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« Reply #178: August 07, 2023, 09:51:16 AM »
Bryce says during the Phillies postgame radio interview, "I wish I started my career here......"

Not very nice of him, considering his prime years were in DC. Animosity towards Rizzo or the front office, perhaps...?

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« Reply #179: August 07, 2023, 09:53:35 AM »
Nice thing to say. Phillie fans just showed uncharacteristic class by giving Trea a standing ovation.
Trea reciprocated by buying a few billboards around town to thank the fans.

Del Ennius is rolling over in his grave at the whole state of affairs.

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« Reply #180: August 07, 2023, 10:36:29 AM »
Not very nice of him, considering his prime years were in DC. Animosity towards Rizzo or the front office, perhaps...?

"His prime years?" He signed with Philly at age 26. They have gotten (and still are) his prime years.

Its not really surprising that a guy who grew up in a blue collar household doesnt like a city filled with political elites and yuppies

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« Reply #181: August 07, 2023, 10:53:55 AM »

Its not really surprising that a guy who grew up in a blue collar household doesnt like a city filled with political elites and yuppies

Right, because Philadelphia has none of that, and they’re not the ones that populate the luxury boxes etc. — particularly the ones running the “blue collar“ operations from the organization bureaucracies. Also, any angle that he was somehow discriminating on that and passed that along to Boras versus the overwhelming priority of taking the biggest deal is quite an angle.

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« Reply #182: August 07, 2023, 11:15:14 AM »
I take what Bryce said as more of a dig at the Lerners than the fans. But why should he not take shots at the fans who boo him. Werth did it when in DC. Don’t look back.

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« Reply #183: August 07, 2023, 11:16:44 AM »
I take what Bryce said as more of a dig at the Lerners than the fans. But why should he not take shots at the fans who boo him. Werth did it when in DC. Don’t look back.

from what i saw, Bryce's comments were more praising the Phillies fans than a dig at the Nats fans.

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« Reply #184: August 07, 2023, 11:58:17 AM »
He didn’t say one bad thing about DC, the Nats or Nats Fans so stuff the hurt feelings

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« Reply #185: August 07, 2023, 12:14:34 PM »
"His prime years?" He signed with Philly at age 26. They have gotten (and still are) his prime years.

Its not really surprising that a guy who grew up in a blue collar household doesnt like a city filled with political elites and yuppies

I guess I had the perception that his numbers with the Nats were better on average, mainly due to his best season (2015), posting a 9.3 WAR.

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« Reply #186: August 07, 2023, 12:48:31 PM »
I guess I had the perception that his numbers with the Nats were better on average, mainly due to his best season (2015), posting a 9.3 WAR.

2015 is still easily his best season, but he's been way more consistently great as a Phillie than he ever was as a Nat.

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« Reply #187: August 07, 2023, 12:50:08 PM »
2015 is still easily his best season, but he's been way more consistently great as a Phillie than he ever was as a Nat.
And that is why some teams will open the vault for Soto. 

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« Reply #188: August 07, 2023, 01:00:24 PM »
And that is why some teams will open the vault for Soto. 

Ironically, the team that would most need Soto going into 2025 to put them over the hump is....the Washington Nationals.

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« Reply #189: August 07, 2023, 01:04:04 PM »
Ironically, the team that would most need Soto going into 2025 to put them over the hump is....the Washington Nationals.
Gosh we need someone to buy the team soon. Even Ted.

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« Reply #190: August 07, 2023, 01:20:07 PM »
imagine:

1. Abrams, SS
2. Crews, CF
3. Soto, DH
4. House, 3B
5. Wood, LF
6. Meneses, 1B
7. Ruiz, C
8. Lipscomb, 2B
9. Thomas, RF

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« Reply #191: August 07, 2023, 01:26:47 PM »
imagine:

1. Abrams, SS
2. Crews, CF
3. Soto, DH
4. House, 3B
5. Wood, LF
6. Meneses, 1B
7. Ruiz, C
8. Lipscomb, 2B
9. Thomas, RF

With that kind of lineup if those prospects pan out would be better off with a good defensive 1B. Like Dom Smith?

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« Reply #192: August 07, 2023, 02:03:33 PM »
I guess I had the perception that his numbers with the Nats were better on average, mainly due to his best season (2015), posting a 9.3 WAR.
2015 is easily his best season. Would have had another MVP in 2017 if MLB had suspended a game for rain like they should have. Still maintain that season had the best chance of all of them to win a WS. Harper has won an MVP in Philly too

 I was curious so I opened up Fangraphs.

As a National, Harper has been a .279/.388/.512 (140 wRC+) hitter.
As a Phillie, he's hit .285/.393/.527 (141 wRC+)

Thats pretty consistent. What I do think we see with Harper is that as a National, he really wasn't that consistent season. Indeed, he doesn't post a season at or above his average wRC+ until 2015 (the monster year) and he doesn't post consecutive seasons like that his entire tenure. But in Philly, he managed to do that in in 2020 and 2021. Going by achieving average wRC+ or better, the Nats got two prime seasons of Harper. Philly has also gotten two. Injuries have played a part in that, but I think its pretty safe to assume that Phillies will get more of "prime" Harper than the Nationals did.   

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« Reply #193: August 07, 2023, 02:35:04 PM »
Unfortunately for Harper injuries have stolen some of Harpers productivity at the plate and value in the field for two of his primary years last year and this. His home run rate was down last year and markedly down this year. With salaries what they are if he rebounds next year the $25,000,000 will still be a bargain until the backend of the deal.

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« Reply #194: August 07, 2023, 03:03:42 PM »
Unfortunately for Harper injuries have stolen some of Harpers productivity at the plate and value in the field for two of his primary years last year and this. His home run rate was down last year and markedly down this year. With salaries what they are if he rebounds next year the $25,000,000 will still be a bargain until the backend of the deal.
I would expect a rebound since last year and this year, he's basically playing with one good elbow

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« Reply #195: August 07, 2023, 03:56:49 PM »
from what i saw, Bryce's comments were more praising the Phillies fans than a dig at the Nats fans.
He didn’t say one bad thing about DC, the Nats or Nats Fans so stuff the hurt feelings
The fans just did a great thing for Trea. Bryce isn't a historian, nor does he strike me as measured in the way he expresses himself (bro, where's my ring?). He just was blown away by what they did for one of his best friends and expressed gratitude in his over the top way.

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« Reply #196: August 07, 2023, 03:59:32 PM »
Ironically, the team that would most need Soto going into 2025 to put them over the hump is....the Washington Nationals.

this.

I'm even content with Marky Mark hanging on, tbh. I assume there will be some sort of accommodation within the family if they don't sell, so after 2024 will be splurge time.

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« Reply #197: August 07, 2023, 04:22:44 PM »
this.

I'm even content with Marky Mark hanging on, tbh. I assume there will be some sort of accommodation within the family if they don't sell, so after 2024 will be splurge time.
It would be really good to tank again next year. Or at least sign a few decent vets to short term deals and then sell if you can’t contend for a wild card. They hit on Candy this year but someone else was needed. Bellinger would have been nice. Or even Conforto. Might have to overpay a bit to get them to DC but better than signing another Dickerson.

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« Reply #198: August 07, 2023, 04:26:25 PM »
The fans just did a great thing for Trea. Bryce isn't a historian, nor does he strike me as measured in the way he expresses himself (bro, where's my ring?). He just was blown away by what they did for one of his best friends and expressed gratitude in his over the top way.
I don’t think he is book smart but makes a lot of sense to suck up to your current fan base. I’m sure he meant to express his gratitude as you say.  Some people will never forgive Harper for signing with a competitor. It was the same with Werth. It’s kind of a dumb view given the business but so be it.  It’s like people ripping Rapinoe for a missed penalty after she helped lead the team to the last two world cups.

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« Reply #199: August 07, 2023, 04:34:48 PM »
Bryce must praise Philadelphia fans. He plays there. And, yes, it was great that Phillies fans gave Trea a standing ovation. I just saw that Trea bought a billboard to thank those fans.