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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #150: July 14, 2023, 08:09:58 PM »
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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #152: July 17, 2023, 11:08:04 AM »
Pete Alonso last 30 games: .148/.252/.343

Sounds like the Mets need to fire their hitting coach.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #153: July 18, 2023, 01:14:45 PM »
Mets: time for a fire-sale and a re-build, except...

- who can afford Max? Due $43 million next year (his option)

- who can afford Verlander? Due $43 million next year and $35 million in 2025, with player option if he pitches 14-0 innings in 2024

- who wants any of their other starters, all age 30 or older? Carrasco? Maybe Senga

- maybe there are trade-able pitchers in the bullpen, and David Robertson and Adam Ottavino are doing well at 38 or so. Robertson is a rental at only $10 million this year, and Ottavino is also cheap. The rest? Nope.

- who wants any of their position players? Several, such as Tommy Pham and Starling Marte are in their mid-30s. Jeff McNeil is a bargain, although he is only hitting .248. Lindor has hit 19 home runs, but he is making $34 a year from now, when he is 29, until forever...or the next eight years.

The Mets are just being Metsie. Steve Cohen has spent his money hiring guys to dig in a swamp of perpetual Metsness.




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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #154: July 18, 2023, 01:15:01 PM »
(What does it mean to be Metsie? Two examples:

- Mets traded Rusty Staub because they did not need his hitting since a rookie named Mike Vail had had a twenty-game hitting streak at the end of the season

- Tom Seaver asked for a raise, saying that the Mets had gotten ride of their hitters. Mets told the newspapers that Seaver wanted a raise because Nancy Seaver was jealous of the jewelery that Nolan Ryan's wife had. Seaver demanded a trade, saying he would not pitch for the Whitney Payson Mets again. )

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #155: July 23, 2023, 11:48:50 AM »
Nick Castellanos got hot for a while and had the Phillies winning. In the last 30 games he's hitting .218 and .143 in the last 15 games. Bryce Harper has 4 home runs on the year. I'm sure it's wishful thinking but they've lost 4 straight. As Sam Wyche once yelled to the Dallas Cowboys when he was a Redskin "die you dirty dogs!!".

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #156: July 23, 2023, 12:01:40 PM »
Max gave up 5 earned in 6 innings last night, ERA sits at 4.20

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« Reply #157: July 23, 2023, 01:58:43 PM »
Mets: time for a fire-sale and a re-build, except...

- who can afford Max? Due $43 million next year (his option)

- who can afford Verlander? Due $43 million next year and $35 million in 2025, with player option if he pitches 14-0 innings in 2024

- who wants any of their other starters, all age 30 or older? Carrasco? Maybe Senga

- maybe there are trade-able pitchers in the bullpen, and David Robertson and Adam Ottavino are doing well at 38 or so. Robertson is a rental at only $10 million this year, and Ottavino is also cheap. The rest? Nope.

- who wants any of their position players? Several, such as Tommy Pham and Starling Marte are in their mid-30s. Jeff McNeil is a bargain, although he is only hitting .248. Lindor has hit 19 home runs, but he is making $34 a year from now, when he is 29, until forever...or the next eight years.

The Mets are just being Metsie. Steve Cohen has spent his money hiring guys to dig in a swamp of perpetual Metsness.




Everyone wants an owner who will spend like a drunken sailor.   But it can really fail spectacularly and leave the team with a mess that takes years to dig out of, especially if the owner eventually gets tired of losing money and losing games.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #158: July 23, 2023, 06:34:17 PM »
Need a GM who is better than Eppler or Preller or whoever tells the Angels , "Yes, sure...let's buy another guy like Rendon".

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #159: July 23, 2023, 06:57:05 PM »
Giants are supposed to be looking to deal for verlander

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/giants-interested-in-justin-verlander.html

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #160: July 23, 2023, 10:09:25 PM »
We’re five back of the Mets!

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #161: July 29, 2023, 02:28:45 PM »
Not sure if this goes here or in "Former Nats". I'll post in both places and wiser people can decide.

Max wants to know what the Mets plan. He's unhappy, and he has a big contract, but the Mets not be able to trade him unless they pay most of his $43 million salary for next season. He cannot force much, and he sure cannot force another team to pay that much.

https://www.mlb.com/news/max-scherzer-discusses-mets-trade-deadline-plans

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #162: July 29, 2023, 02:36:31 PM »
And rumors have Rangers, Astros, Reds, and Dodgers interested in Verlander. The problem, of course, is Mont Garbage, the pile of money that Steve Cohen committed to Verlander. Unlike the contract with Max, Verlander has a "vesting option" for 2025.

https://www.mlb.com/news/justin-verlander-rumors

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #163: July 29, 2023, 05:28:32 PM »
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/phillies-designate-noah-song-for-assignment.html

Has been roughed up in his rehab stints through AAA, has lost velocity, and would need to stay on an MLB roster for 90 consecutive days. That could be August, September, and April. The velocity will come back with proper conditioning and maybe another season of development in the minors. I do wonder if the Nats could essentially go with a 7 man bullpen and keep this guy around for the rest of the year, only doing mop up.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #164: July 29, 2023, 05:44:57 PM »
Yea. Take a chance.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #165: July 29, 2023, 05:52:48 PM »
Agreed. He cant be worse that what we have.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #166: July 29, 2023, 05:59:55 PM »
Yea. Take a chance.
tricky part then is when Ward comes of the IL. There's only so many mop up guys you can keep around, and with Harvey hurt, who the heck is left?

Hypothetically, suppose Finnegan is traded and there's no buyer on Edwards, so you keep him around. Then:

Harvey (IL)
Edwards (IL)
Weems
Thompson
Ferrer
La Sorsa
Abbott
Garcia
Machado
Ward (IL)
Song (R5)

On the bright side, only Machado is out of options. Song immediately slides into the 8th spot in the pen. Harvey back, option Abbott. Ward back, release Machado or option Thompson or one of the lefties. Juggle a spot between Garcia, La Sorsa, maybe another guy with whoever is in the minors if the bullpen gets worn out.

It'd be really tight to do this.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #167: July 29, 2023, 06:01:17 PM »
tricky part then is when Ward comes of the IL. There's only so many mop up guys you can keep around, and with Harvey hurt, who the heck is left?

Hypothetically, suppose Finnegan is traded and there's no buyer on Edwards, so you keep him around. Then:

Harvey (IL)
Edwards (IL)
Weems
Thompson
Ferrer
La Sorsa
Abbott
Garcia
Machado
Ward (IL)
Song (R5)

On the bright side, only Machado is out of options. Song immediately slides into the 8th spot in the pen. Harvey back, option Abbott. Ward back, release Machado or option Thompson or one of the lefties. Juggle a spot between Garcia, La Sorsa, maybe another guy with whoever is in the minors if the bullpen gets worn out.

It'd be really tight to do this.
Then pitch them in meaningful situations.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #168: July 29, 2023, 07:06:15 PM »
Nats would have to trade for Song, right? If he clears waivers he go back to the Red Sox?

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #169: July 29, 2023, 08:14:01 PM »
They can just make a waiver claim. Would need to keep him in the majors for 90 straight days before they could send him to the minors or waive him and offer him back to the sox

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« Reply #170: July 29, 2023, 09:26:17 PM »
They can just make a waiver claim. Would need to keep him in the majors for 90 straight days before they could send him to the minors or waive him and offer him back to the sox

Got it, thanks!

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #171: July 29, 2023, 09:36:31 PM »
Assume the As, Royals and Rockies all get a shot before the Nats?

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #172: July 29, 2023, 09:42:31 PM »
Assume the As, Royals and Rockies all get a shot before the Nats?
worse records, yes.

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #173: August 05, 2023, 11:44:30 PM »
2.5 back of the Mets!

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Re: NL East: 2023
« Reply #174: August 06, 2023, 08:04:12 PM »
Nats are now a game-and-a-half behind the Mets, who have lost six in a row. I think that streak goes back to the trade deadline.