2021-2022 Offseason Discussion/Signings/Trades/Rumors

[nfotiu]

there are 40 pitchers who threw at least 160 innings last year

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2021-standard-pitching.shtml

Only 17 of those pitched an inning/team game played, the year before.   And only 12 of those did it the year before.

This is the entire list of pitchers who've pitched 1 inning/team game played (the number needed to qualify for ERA title) for each of the last 3 seasons.
 
Max ScherzerLAD/WSH
Zack WheelerPHI
Adam WainwrightSTL
Gerrit ColeNYY
Jose BerriosTOR/MIN
Lucas GiolitoCHW
Luis CastilloCIN
Zack GreinkeHOU
Yu DarvishSD
Hyun Jin RyuTOR
Aaron NolaPHI
Patrick CorbinWSH

[GNatsNoMore]

 

Seems like we’re putting the 2019 team back together. Zimm and Howie next?

Hey, I'd be all for bringing Howie back, if he wanted to un-retire.   
Too bad it's not gonna happen.  (He's still younger than Cruz, and he's capable of getting clutch hits). 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Grienke is back of the rotation fodder at this point

if he's a #4, that's better than what we have.  He's gone 171 IP in 2021, a full 12 starts and 67 inning (5.5 IP/start) in 2020, and over 200 IP the previous 3 years.  If he gives you anything similar, he's eating innings at a < 4.5 ERA.  That's solid.  And he has an upside of <4 ERA.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Only 17 of those pitched an inning/team game played, the year before.   And only 12 of those did it the year before.

This is the entire list of pitchers who've pitched 1 inning/team game played (the number needed to qualify for ERA title) for each of the last 3 seasons.
 
Max ScherzerLAD/WSH
Zack WheelerPHI
Adam WainwrightSTL
Gerrit ColeNYY
Jose BerriosTOR/MIN
Lucas GiolitoCHW
Luis CastilloCIN
Zack GreinkeHOU
Yu DarvishSD
Hyun Jin RyuTOR
Aaron NolaPHI
Patrick CorbinWSH

Which is why signing Greinke for $12 million for 1 year makes a ton of sense for a team with innings-limited pitchers like Strasburg and Gray.

[Expos]

So what do we have so far:

1- Stephen Strasburg
2- Patrick Corbin
3- Josiah Gray
4- Paolo Espino
5- Aaron Sanchez / Erik Fedde / Anibal Sanchez

Closer- Kyle Finnegan
Sean Doolittle
Steve Cishek
Will Harris
Josh Rogers
Mason Thompson
Austin Voth
Patrick Murphy / Tanner Rainey
Andres Machado /Sam Clay

1. SS- Alcides Escobar
2. RF- Juan Soto
3. DH- Nelson Cruz
4. 1B- Josh Bell
5. CF- Lane Thomas / Gerardo Parra
6. C- Keibert Ruiz / Riley Adams
7. 3B- Maikel Franco / Ehire Adrianza
8. LF- Yadiel Hernandez / Andrew Stevenson
9. 2B- Cesar Hernandez / Luis Garcia

?? Carter Kieboom, Victor Robles

[imref]

Rogers probably gets a starting slot over Espino

[Slateman]

if he's a #4, that's better than what we have.  He's gone 171 IP in 2021, a full 12 starts and 67 inning (5.5 IP/start) in 2020, and over 200 IP the previous 3 years.  If he gives you anything similar, he's eating innings at a < 4.5 ERA.  That's solid.  And he has an upside of <4 ERA.

Grienke is 37, losing velo, and getting progressively worse. Expecting him to be as good as last year is about as realistic as Stras making 25+ starts

[Slateman]

Will Harris is probably the closer at this point. Or Cishek.

[DPMOmaha]

This is a roster that feels to me like is set up to have an outside shot at the playoffs. Play it out through the ASB and see where things are at. Injuries could submarine the season, some bounce backs and a breakthrough and you've got a WC contender, then you add a piece or two down the stretch and see what happens if you can get in the tournament.

[zimm_da_kid]

This is a roster that feels to me like is set up to have an outside shot at the playoffs. Play it out through the ASB and see where things are at. Injuries could submarine the season, some bounce backs and a breakthrough and you've got a WC contender, then you add a piece or two down the stretch and see what happens if you can get in the tournament.

MAYBE.

If 3 out of Corbin/stras/gray/Rogers/Espino can give us 180 IP of sub 4.00 ERA ball.  Big if

[nfotiu]

This is a roster that feels to me like is set up to have an outside shot at the playoffs. Play it out through the ASB and see where things are at. Injuries could submarine the season, some bounce backs and a breakthrough and you've got a WC contender, then you add a piece or two down the stretch and see what happens if you can get in the tournament.

I think they need to improve their bullpen depth by a lot to have a chance.   Teams like the Rays and Dodgers had 10 relievers with sub 3.00 eras they could trot out every day.   We had Hudson last year and that was it.

If we're going to buy some wins, I think that spending on the bullpen is where we'd get the most bang for our buck.

You can win without the starting pitching we're used to, but that requires a real bullpen.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I think Rainey is higher in the bullpen pecking order and maybe Doo is lower.  I also think they'll give Rogers a longer look for the rotation, barring another signing.  To my eye, they look short on rotation innings because I don't think they will get more than 250 innings out of Gray and Strasburg. Corbin actually had a couple of decent prolonged stretches last year (4/16 - 6/30, and all but one start in September) and has been healthy, so I'm optimistic about him. If not Greinke, then a Tyler Anderson might be a good signing.  Really could use another 160-180 IP out of a starter, then community auditions for the 5th slot.  I'd also feel better about the bullpen if they pulled in a Ryan Tepera as the top dog and everyone shifted down a slot in leverage.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I think they need to improve their bullpen depth by a lot to have a chance.   Teams like the Rays and Dodgers had 10 relievers with sub 3.00 eras they could trot out every day.   We had Hudson last year and that was it.

If we're going to buy some wins, I think that spending on the bullpen is where we'd get the most bang for our buck.

You can win without the starting pitching we're used to, but that requires a real bullpen.

It's probably wishful thinking but Tepera, with Cishek and maybe a healthy Harris, Doo, Finnegan, and Rainey looks averagish, which is an upgrade. Finnegan and Rainey can give you streaks when they are sharp and get enough work to stay sharp but hopefully not to much to become toast.

[DPMOmaha]

MAYBE.

If 3 out of Corbin/stras/gray/Rogers/Espino can give us 180 IP of sub 4.00 ERA ball.  Big if

Of course, but with Corbin and Stras, you at least have guys who have performed at an elite level. We know they have it in them. If they can tap into that again, they'll have a chance. Remains to be seen if they can. The pitching was why they weren't successful last year. They still have work to do there.

[Elvir Ovcina]

Of course, but with Corbin and Stras, you at least have guys who have performed at an elite level. We know they have it in them. If they can tap into that again, they'll have a chance. Remains to be seen if they can. The pitching was why they weren't successful last year. They still have work to do there.

We know they HAD it in them.  Pretty big difference.

[DPMOmaha]

We know they HAD it in them.  Pretty big difference.

We'll find out. The potential is at least there for two top end guys.

[imref]

If Oakland is selling, I wonder what it would take for us to get Chapman, without having to give up Cavalli or House?

Kieboom, Henry, Rutledge, Cluff?

[Elvir Ovcina]

If Oakland is selling, I wonder what it would take for us to get Chapman, without having to give up Cavalli or House?

Kieboom, Henry, Rutledge, Cluff?

N/A.  Given what they got for Olsen, it'd be more like Cavalli AND House.

[imref]

N/A.  Given what they got for Olsen, it'd be more like Cavalli AND House.

hard pass for just two years of Chapman.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

N/A.  Given what they got for Olsen, it'd be more like Cavalli AND House.

more realistic - I'm not wowed by what Cinci got back for Winker and Eug Suarez. Would I be nuts to say Thomas, Gerardo Carillo, and Erick Fedde would be all that much less? 

[2k6nats]

I’m on Trevor Story watch. The Vinny Castilla pipeline of slugging infielders from altitude.

[Mattionals]

Same source who said Nats were in on Soler and Greinke saying Nats are interested in Frankie Montas.

[Elvir Ovcina]

more realistic - I'm not wowed by what Cinci got back for Winker and Eug Suarez. Would I be nuts to say Thomas, Gerardo Carillo, and Erick Fedde would be all that much less?

No, but that would include taking on a contract like Suarez for two years of Winker.  I'd personally do it in a heartbeat, but it's not my money.

[zimm_da_kid]

Same source who said Nats were in on Soler and Greinke saying Nats are interested in Frankie Montas.

And who’s that?

[imref]

And who’s that?

I assume Seth Cummings who is one of the more annoying people on Twitter.