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Offline spidernat

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1600 on: July 20, 2018, 09:58:20 pm »
No way Stras and Max go at it with Dusty (or any responsible adult) in the dugout.




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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1601 on: July 20, 2018, 10:04:26 pm »
Matt Williams was not a responsible adult.  Give me a manager that has the teams respect and this crap doesn't happen.  Matt Williams lost the team, just like Davey has lost the team.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1602 on: July 20, 2018, 10:04:44 pm »
Juan Soto has been the febreze of this team. Bunch of turds otherwise. 

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1603 on: July 20, 2018, 10:07:08 pm »
It’s time to fire dave
It’s also time to trade all but
Soto turner and max and rendon

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1604 on: July 20, 2018, 10:07:30 pm »
Why keep Turner? He’s one of the few pieces on this team that could return a solid haul. He’s definitely not indispensable. I can live with Difo at SS.


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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1605 on: July 20, 2018, 10:07:56 pm »
It’s time to fire dave
It’s also time to trade all but
Soto turner and max and rendon
Max, Turner, and Rendon need to go.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1606 on: July 20, 2018, 10:16:01 pm »
This team is absolute dogcrap.

Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1607 on: July 20, 2018, 10:36:34 pm »
Sounds like there was a Stras/Max/Lilliquist blowup in the dugout after Stras came out of the game tonight. Not sure we can say Davey has lost the clubhouse when it's debatable if he ever had it to begin with.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1608 on: July 20, 2018, 10:41:24 pm »
Sounds like there was a Stras/Max/Lilliquist blowup in the dugout after Stras came out of the game tonight. Not sure we can say Davey has lost the clubhouse when it's debatable if he ever had it to begin with.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious he didn't. These players came into ST, unwilling to put in the work and unable to discipline their minds

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1609 on: July 20, 2018, 10:52:23 pm »
I mean, he's got to be close to getting canned, right?  If we get swept by teh Braves (and we will) that's it for Davey.  That's the MtH prediction

Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1610 on: July 20, 2018, 10:53:39 pm »
I think it's becoming more and more obvious he didn't. These players came into ST, unwilling to put in the work and unable to discipline their minds

Agreed. Rolling out camels and letting Zimm just sit in the Florida sun for a month without having to take the field were warning signs.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1611 on: July 20, 2018, 11:09:28 pm »
I mean, he's got to be close to getting canned, right?  If we get swept by teh Braves (and we will) that's it for Davey.  That's the MtH prediction

He should be.  It's not even the injuries.  He didn't have the clubhouse from the very beginning.  This is probably why he was passed over so many times over the years.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1612 on: July 20, 2018, 11:30:35 pm »
Apparently when asked about Max and Stras having words Davey said no big deal, I’ve been on teams before where guys want to strangle each other :roll: does he even know our team’s history?  yea, he’s clueless.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1613 on: July 20, 2018, 11:35:26 pm »
If anyone deserved to be fired in their first 100 games as manager its Davey Martinez.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1614 on: July 21, 2018, 12:24:34 am »
Matt Williams was not a responsible adult.  Give me a manager that has the teams respect and this crap doesn't happen.  Matt Williams lost the team, just like Davey has lost the team.

In my younger days my HS team won the championship my last 2 years and later each summer with the same players playing against the same opponents we barely played .500 ball.  The difference was we respected and feared our HS coach. If we made the kind of stupid mistakes this team makes or just played poorly we knew we were going to hear about it.  The summer coach was a great guy they everybody liked but we didn't respect him as a coach. He had only been an intramural coach before and we knew he was just glad to be coaching the county champs and that he wasn't ever going to say anything to us no matter how poorly we played.
The Nats in my mind don't respect Martinez. He doesn't have the resume and when they need a good kick in the butt he instead hugs them and tells them how proud he is of them. I wouldn't want Ray Knight as manager but maybe someone like him could light a fire under these guys. I would take Ray over Martinez though.

Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1615 on: July 21, 2018, 01:00:49 am »
In my younger days my HS team won the championship my last 2 years and later each summer with the same players playing against the same opponents we barely played .500 ball.  The difference was we respected and feared our HS coach. If we made the kind of stupid mistakes this team makes or just played poorly we knew we were going to hear about it.  The summer coach was a great guy they everybody liked but we didn't respect him as a coach. He had only been an intramural coach before and we knew he was just glad to be coaching the county champs and that he wasn't ever going to say anything to us no matter how poorly we played.
The Nats in my mind don't respect Martinez. He doesn't have the resume and when they need a good kick in the butt he instead hugs them and tells them how proud he is of them. I wouldn't want Ray Knight as manager but maybe someone like him could light a fire under these guys. I would take Ray over Martinez though.

WTF does your HS Baseball days have to do with this?

Do you honestly think you, as a child not respecting someone or caring about your poor performance is similar to the Washington Nationals? The Roster of professional athletes?

Members of the clubhouse give a crap. Even if Dave isn't respected, they are still held accountable by themselves and teammates. Because they are professionals.

You have a classic fan attitude and your previous experience of being a bratty HS Baseball player isn't allowing you an insider viewpoints.

When guys step into the batters box, on the field, or on the mound, they aren't thinking I'd care if we had a better manager. They aren't thinking who gives a crap when they cause an error or strikeout.

That's the attitude of minimum wage workers who have history of being unreliable. Not you average professional athlete.

If you didn't care that you were letting your team down because you couldn't respect your coach, then mistakes were made raising you as a child. Hopefully you don't have that same attitude now in your adult professional life.

If you do then that's your issue. But the players in that clubhouse hold themselves to much higher standards than that.

Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1616 on: July 21, 2018, 02:46:54 am »
Let's face it, Rizzo and the Lerners are backed into a corner here. If they keep Davey around next year they risk further alienating a clubhouse that he clearly doesn't have the respect of. If they pull the plug on him after this season, they'll be admitting they made a mistake, it'll be a major embarrassment for the franchise (yet again) and the 2019 Nats will have a 4th manager in 5 seasons. Three years after the Bud Black fiasco the message would again be sent around baseball that the Lerners and Rizzo are completely incompetent when it comes to finding and settling on the right manager. Not to mention with a brand new manager would come a new coaching staff who the players would have to adjust to and mesh with yet again and a new philosophy.

It's become a complete cluster****.

Offline rileyn

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1617 on: July 21, 2018, 06:27:32 am »
WTF does your HS Baseball days have to do with this?

Do you honestly think you, as a child not respecting someone or caring about your poor performance is similar to the Washington Nationals? The Roster of professional athletes?

Members of the clubhouse give a crap. Even if Dave isn't respected, they are still held accountable by themselves and teammates. Because they are professionals.

You have a classic fan attitude and your previous experience of being a bratty HS Baseball player isn't allowing you an insider viewpoints.

When guys step into the batters box, on the field, or on the mound, they aren't thinking I'd care if we had a better manager. They aren't thinking who gives a crap when they cause an error or strikeout.

That's the attitude of minimum wage workers who have history of being unreliable. Not you average professional athlete.

If you didn't care that you were letting your team down because you couldn't respect your coach, then mistakes were made raising you as a child. Hopefully you don't have that same attitude now in your adult professional life.

If you do then that's your issue. But the players in that clubhouse hold themselves to much higher standards than that.

ToddGack's story about how this situation relates to his HS career makes perfect sense and you know it.  Of course the approaches of HS players and professionals are not identical but it's not hard to draw the parallels.  Your response is nothing more than a childish attempt to bully and belittle him.   

Actually, I should be giving you credit because it's a clever diversion to get away from the original Martinez discussion.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1618 on: July 21, 2018, 07:07:32 am »
FIRE DAVE MARTINEZ!  Martinez does not know what he is doing.  So far this season he has managed to turn a team that finished first in its division in 2017 winning 60% of its games into a mediocre .500 team that seams so be going nowhere.  His constantly changing lineups has reduced a potent offense to a group of players who do not know from day-to-day where they will be batting or what their role is in the offense.  The key to the National's offense is not Harper, or Rendon, or Eaton or anyone else but Trea Turner.  Last year, playing only 98 games because of a broken wrist, Trea had the best runs per game average of any leadoff hitter in the National League.  His .77 runs per game exceeded Dee Gordon's .72 runs per game and Billy Hamilton's .61 runs per game.  Trea's .77 runs per game translates to 125 runs scored in a 162 game season!  This year Martinez's scrambled lineups have had Turner batting first, second, sixth and seventh; Harper has hit first, second, third, fourth and fifth; and Rendon, Eaton and others have also been scattered throughout the lineup.  Martinez has even had the pitcher batting eighth sometimes.  The result of these endless changes has been an unproductive offense. As stated before, the key to the offense is Turner.  If he were the every-day leadoff hitter he would energize the offense, steal 100+ bases, score 120 to 140 runs and distract opposing pitchers to the advantage of hitters following him.  The every-day lineup should have Turner batting first, Easton or Soto second, Rendon third, the catcher eighth and the pitcher ninth.  Harper, Murphy, Adams/Reynolds and Taylor are the obvious 4th through 7th hitters.  Unfortunately, Martinez will probably continue his mindless lineup scrambling resulting in continued unproductivity.  Martinez should be fired!

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1619 on: July 21, 2018, 07:19:46 am »
Seems like if anyone is going to take the fall, it's the manager, but most of this seems like nonsense to me. The Nats just aren't that good when compared to the Braves and the Phillies. Not young enough, not aggressive enough, not hungry enough, not enjoying it enough. That's how it appears to me, anyway.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1620 on: July 21, 2018, 07:25:03 am »
In my younger days my HS team won the championship my last 2 years and later each summer with the same players playing against the same opponents we barely played .500 ball.  The difference was we respected and feared our HS coach. If we made the kind of stupid mistakes this team makes or just played poorly we knew we were going to hear about it.  The summer coach was a great guy they everybody liked but we didn't respect him as a coach. He had only been an intramural coach before and we knew he was just glad to be coaching the county champs and that he wasn't ever going to say anything to us no matter how poorly we played.
The Nats in my mind don't respect Martinez. He doesn't have the resume and when they need a good kick in the butt he instead hugs them and tells them how proud he is of them. I wouldn't want Ray Knight as manager but maybe someone like him could light a fire under these guys. I would take Ray over Martinez though.

I don't completely disagree with you, but some of this has to be on the players.  These are professional athletes who apparently need a daddy instead of a manager.  If they want to find a daddy, there are apps for that these days.  These guys are supposed to be self-sufficient and responsible enough to be motivated without needing some personal Tony Robbins.  If millions of dollars in salary and the glory of being a World Series champion isn't enough, then why the freak are you in the league?

It says a lot that pretty much every manager thus far, besides Dusty, has lost the team.  Maybe it's a problem with some of these players as much as anything else.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1621 on: July 21, 2018, 08:22:18 am »
I don't completely disagree with you, but some of this has to be on the players.  These are professional athletes who apparently need a daddy instead of a manager.  If they want to find a daddy, there are apps for that these days.  These guys are supposed to be self-sufficient and responsible enough to be motivated without needing some personal Tony Robbins.  If millions of dollars in salary and the glory of being a World Series champion isn't enough, then why the freak are you in the league?

It says a lot that pretty much every manager thus far, besides Dusty, has lost the team.  Maybe it's a problem with some of these players as much as anything else.

That's why I would almost rather see Rizzo sell of this team over the next two seasons and let Martinez have a year or so with a new group. At some point we need to stop switching managers every year and let a guy build some consistency.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1622 on: July 21, 2018, 08:44:11 am »
That's why I would almost rather see Rizzo sell of this team over the next two seasons and let Martinez have a year or so with a new group. At some point we need to stop switching managers every year and let a guy build some consistency.

That plan would lead to a lot of blue seats. We do need to stop switching managers, but now isn't that time. It's also getting to be time to switch GMs, Rizzo was a genius as the team climbed from the bottom of the league in payroll to the top, since they hit the cap his moves aren't working out quite as well.

Wish I could be a fly on the wall Monday morning when the Lerner family finds out what happened last night, they won't be pleased. They have two weeks to decide whether to send out playoff invoices, a No vote won't be pretty.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1623 on: July 21, 2018, 09:25:12 am »
ToddGack's story about how this situation relates to his HS career makes perfect sense and you know it.  Of course the approaches of HS players and professionals are not identical but it's not hard to draw the parallels.  Your response is nothing more than a childish attempt to bully and belittle him.   

Actually, I should be giving you credit because it's a clever diversion to get away from the original Martinez discussion.

Nope. Wrong. Lies.

First, there was no attempt to bully anyone.

Second, his or any other HS players experience doesn't draw parallels. Your average HS player can not relate at all to your average professional athlete in matters of professionalism and accountability. Not to mention commitment to their craft.

Go ask Max or Spanky if they need a manager to hold them accountable for sloppy play.

If this was a Low A team then maybe you could draw parallels.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1624 on: July 21, 2018, 09:47:19 am »
Nope. Wrong. Lies.

First, there was no attempt to bully anyone.

Second, his or any other HS players experience doesn't draw parallels. Your average HS player can not relate at all to your average professional athlete in matters of professionalism and accountability. Not to mention commitment to their craft.

Go ask Max or Spanky if they need a manager to hold them accountable for sloppy play.

If this was a Low A team then maybe you could draw parallels.

No matter how professional athletes are, they all benefit from good leadership. I don't care what field you are in, good leadership enhances performance of the team as a whole. Some individuals are self motivated, true, but others would benefit from external motivation.

And, yeah, I do think your post was a bit over the top and kind of got personal.