Author Topic: PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018) (Read 57812 times)

skippy1999 · « **Reply #525 on:** April 24, 2018, 04:11:53 pm »

Quote from: GburgNatsFan on April 24, 2018, 04:05:40 pm

He was up there. I think he thought he had more in the tank. I also think he was better last year because Davey and Mike Maddux "believed in" him. You also have to wonder if the pitchers know when relievers don't look right.

Dusty but really, if you need pats on the back to make yourself better that's pretty lame.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #526 on:** April 24, 2018, 04:16:22 pm »

Quote from: BuckyHarris on April 24, 2018, 03:34:11 pm

What did they say?

Strasburg complained in public might be more accurate than publicly, shouted at Martinez from the dugout steps, the assumption is that was about defensive shifts.

UMDNats · « **Reply #527 on:** April 24, 2018, 05:19:15 pm »

I can't believe no other player has yelled at a manager in the heat of a game before. Martinez breaking all the barriers!

I also can't find video of it anywhere. It's such a big deal that people are scared to post videos. Sad!

mitlen · « **Reply #528 on:** April 24, 2018, 05:21:41 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on April 24, 2018, 05:19:15 pm

I can't believe no other player has yelled at a manager in the heat of a game before. Martinez breaking all the barriers!

I also can't find video of it anywhere. It's such a big deal that people are scared to post videos. Sad!

Google Reggie Jackson/Billy Martin

spidernat · « **Reply #529 on:** April 24, 2018, 05:52:50 pm »

Quote from: skippy1999 on April 24, 2018, 04:02:36 pm

Gio always seems to be whining though tbh.

He's a freaking nag. He's whined in the past to shift blame to the manager for his sucking on the mound. And let's not forget what a failure he has been in the postseason.

UMDNats · « **Reply #530 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:00:35 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on April 24, 2018, 05:21:41 pm

Google Reggie Jackson/Billy Martin

weird - those yankees teams didn't win anything. should have fired billy on the spot.

mitlen · « **Reply #531 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:02:24 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on April 24, 2018, 06:00:35 pm

weird - those yankees teams didn't win anything. should have fired billy on the spot.

George did ... a couple of times.

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #532 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:03:02 pm »

And Billy Martin and George Steinbrenner and Billy Martin and________________fill in the blank

tswphoto · « **Reply #533 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:18:45 pm »

Strasburg popping off mid-game is to be expected from a competitor in the moment. Gio should have saved his words for a one-on-one with the skipper. But I understand his complaint.

varoadking · « **Reply #534 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:23:21 pm »

The examples of Stras and head-case Gio being upset is likely just the tip of the iceberg...

The only thing that will fix the clubhouse is winning...and that's gonna take more than what they have all been doing to this point...

'lil d needs to stop channeling Maddon and be himself...if he can...

mitlen · « **Reply #535 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:28:47 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on April 24, 2018, 06:23:21 pm

The examples of Stras and head-case Gio being upset is likely just the tip of the iceberg...

The only thing that will fix the clubhouse is winning...and that's gonna take more than what they have all been doing to this point...

'lil d needs to stop channeling Maddon and be himself...if he can...

Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeriste I can read it.

Reminds me of old Nospinzone.

varoadking · « **Reply #536 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:38:25 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on April 24, 2018, 06:28:47 pm

Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeriste I can read it.

Reminds me of old Nospinzone.

Needed emphasis on the d in 'lil d...

mitlen · « **Reply #537 on:** April 24, 2018, 06:55:27 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on April 24, 2018, 06:38:25 pm

Needed emphasis on the d in 'lil d...

Didn't even notice that. Couldn't see it.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #538 on:** April 24, 2018, 07:00:37 pm »

Quote from: tswphoto on April 24, 2018, 06:18:45 pm

Strasburg popping off mid-game is to be expected from a competitor in the moment. Gio should have saved his words for a one-on-one with the skipper. But I understand his complaint.

Neither incident is a big deal on its own, but half of the starting rotation complaining during Martinez's third week on the job isn't a sign that the new skipper has things under control.

spidernat · « **Reply #539 on:** April 24, 2018, 08:16:37 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on April 24, 2018, 06:00:35 pm

weird - those yankees teams didn't win anything. should have fired billy on the spot.

Is this tongue in cheek?

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #540 on:** April 24, 2018, 10:07:47 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on April 24, 2018, 08:16:37 pm

Is this tongue in cheek?

Oh come on man, not you.

spidernat · « **Reply #541 on:** April 24, 2018, 10:20:27 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on April 24, 2018, 10:07:47 pm

Oh come on man, not you.

I genuinely want to know if the post was sarcasm because those teams won two titles. Maybe I missed something between the lines.

mitlen · « **Reply #542 on:** April 24, 2018, 10:21:53 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on April 24, 2018, 10:20:27 pm

I genuinely want to know if the post was sarcasm because those teams won two titles. Maybe I missed something between the lines.

I bailed for the same reason. I was glad you asked the question.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #543 on:** April 25, 2018, 06:44:16 am »

I'll concede that it's early, but worst in the league in actual wins vs expected wins is not a good place for Martinez.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #544 on:** April 25, 2018, 07:18:25 am »

Quote from: tomterp on April 13, 2018, 06:25:06 pm

I thought he did a masterful job of utilizing the entire roster and keeping players motivated throughout the long season. I was disappointed in some of his decisions in the playoffs, in particular excessive trust in Werth, but I can't ever remember a moment when I considered him an "idiot", much less called him such. So I resent being tarred by the same brush.

I don't believe I am in either camp of keeping or firing Dusty. But , I have posted this somewhere previously. He was great for MAT and Difo and I attribute their success last year to Dustys' mentoring. Their regression this year could also be attributed to his absence.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #545 on:** April 25, 2018, 07:35:57 am »

Quote from: aspenbubba on April 25, 2018, 07:18:25 am

I don't believe I am in either camp of keeping or firing Dusty. But , I have posted this somewhere previously. He was great for MAT and Difo and I attribute their success last year to Dustys' mentoring. Their regression this year could also be attributed to his absence.

I agree, I also think that switching out the rest of the coaching staff had an equally negative impact.

BuckyHarris · « **Reply #546 on:** April 25, 2018, 07:59:52 am »

Not sure what those stats mean but apparently we're underperforming better than Cincinnati. Only Stengel's Yankees could win with four top guys out. We can meanwhile go back to 2005 and live for the moments. Max and Harp and...and...

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #547 on:** April 25, 2018, 08:12:54 am »

Quote from: BuckyHarris on April 25, 2018, 07:59:52 am

Not sure what those stats mean but apparently we're underperforming better than Cincinnati. Only Stengel's Yankees could win with four top guys out. We can meanwhile go back to 2005 and live for the moments. Max and Harp and...and...

Look at the total ABs from last year, Baker had three position guys healthy for the full season and a pen that was much worse, somehow he got the best out of the guys he had. Circle of Trust guy is allowing a loser mentality, blame the umps, blame the injuries, it's still early blame bad luck.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #548 on:** April 25, 2018, 08:13:11 am »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on April 25, 2018, 07:35:57 am

I agree, I also think that switching out the rest of the coaching staff had an equally negative impact.

Especially Maddox and retaining Hendley. I liked the Kevin Long hire but we haven't seen anything positive come of it.

miket14 · « **Reply #549 on:** April 25, 2018, 08:34:39 am »

Hopefully he realizes it's NOT still early, that April is about done, and that you need to turn the ship around before it gets completely out of hand.