PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[hotshot]

Joe G would be great. Hell, I'd take Buck Showalter as well if he's let go.

Replace Bob and FP with a one man booth of Mad Dog Russo. Then, we'd get some truth to power being spoken.

[PowerBoater69]

Not sure what those stats mean but apparently we're underperforming better than Cincinnati. Only Stengel's Yankees could win with four top guys out. We can meanwhile go back to 2005 and live for the moments. Max and Harp and...and...

I was driving and didn't answer the question. The injuries are irrelevant to this table, it shows expected wins based on actual performance. Based on the offensive and pitching stats to date the Nats would be expected to have won three more games already this year with just average in game management. With a better than average manager we could have won 4-6 more games. The sort I selected also factors in strength of schedule.

[imref]

I'm guessing we're about 5 weeks from "fire Davey" being an actual realistic possibility.

[Cinqo de Mayo]

The "baseball gods" don't like firing a successful manager. The Lerners deserve a losing season for that terrible gaffe.

[PowerBoater69]

Especially Maddox and retaining Hendley. I liked the Kevin Long hire but we haven't seen anything positive come of it.

The Nats led the league in OPS last year, why replace the hitting coach? Stupidity at the ownership level.

[aspenbubba]

I'm guessing we're about 5 weeks from "fire Davey" being an actual realistic possibility.

The problem is I think there is two years guaranteed but most importantly is who is the replacement. I would be flying to NY and speaking to Joe Girardi this weekend.

[GburgNatsFan]

The problem is I think there is two years guaranteed but most importantly is who is the replacement. I would be flying to NY and speaking to Joe Girardi this weekend.

the Lerners would never pay the price. They don't value managers much.

[aspenbubba]

the Lerners would never pay the price. They don't value managers much.

I'm not disagreeing with you but the unknown factor is Teddy wants a WS and realistically this maybe his best shot. Coupled with Marks recent surgery the family Knows that there are no guarantees.

[GburgNatsFan]

I'm not disagreeing with you but the unknown factor is Teddy wants a WS and realistically this maybe his best shot. Coupled with Marks recent surgery the family Knows that there are no guarantees.

Maybe. But it's not like they went out and wooed Giarardi last Fall. They didn't go after big free agent signings in the off season (might not have been too many available, but they could have made the team better by spending money).

Is anything much different today? 

[UMDNats]

I genuinely want to know if the post was sarcasm because those teams won two titles. Maybe I missed something between the lines.

yes it was tongue in cheek. i unfortunately know way too much about the 77 and 78 NYY teams

[UMDNats]

at people thinking we're going to fire Martinez after three weeks when 3 of our best hitters are on the DL and the guys the GM counted on to be good (Roark, Gio, Taylor, Wieters, the bullpen) have sucked.

[imref]

at people thinking we're going to fire Martinez after three weeks when 3 of our best hitters are on the DL and the guys the GM counted on to be good (Roark, Gio, Taylor, Wieters, the bullpen) have sucked.

If we're still struggling come the end of May, then I think there's a very real chance he's fired.

[Ray D]

What good is firing the manager once the season is underway. A new manager is not likely to turn things around.  I think there were alot of things that should have happened during spring training that didn't, and it's too late to change that.

[UMDNats]

If we're still struggling come the end of May, then I think there's a very real chance he's fired.

Maybe, but we're venturing into LOLNATS territory if we fire our manager AGAIN and expect it all to be fixed.

Honestly I look at this season as a blessing in disguise. We are going to get a HAUL for Harper, Murphy, Madson, Doolittle (maybe we keep him), Wieters, Gonzalez, Kendrick, Adams. Reload our crap farm system, look at 2019 as the year of a new core of Turner-Rendon-Eaton with the big guys in the rotation and hope Robles and whatever prospects we get can help us reload. The Yankees did it with fewer good assets.

[PowerBoater69]

Maybe, but we're venturing into LOLNATS territory if we fire our manager AGAIN and expect it all to be fixed.

Honestly I look at this season as a blessing in disguise. We are going to get a HAUL for Harper, Murphy, Madson, Doolittle (maybe we keep him), Wieters, Gonzalez, Kendrick, Adams. Reload our crap farm system, look at 2019 as the year of a new core of Turner-Rendon-Eaton with the big guys in the rotation and hope Robles and whatever prospects we get can help us reload. The Yankees did it with fewer good assets.

In that case Martinez makes sense as the manager, overseeing a fire sale and a couple years of tanking for draft picks. He's perfect.

[UMDNats]

In that case Martinez makes sense as the manager, overseeing a fire sale and a couple years of tanking for draft picks. He's perfect.

I don't see us tanking in 2019 or 2020, if Robles is as good as advertised and Scherzer/Strasburg maintain decent level of play (mid-3 ERAs). We'd have, in theory, Eaton-Turner-Robles and, hopefully, Rendon, maybe Soto or any prospects from our fire sale.

[aspenbubba]

Maybe. But it's not like they went out and wooed Giarardi last Fall. They didn't go after big free agent signings in the off season (might not have been too many available, but they could have made the team better by spending money).

Is anything much different today? 

Yes, they didn't foresee the team tanking and the season ending in the crapper. This is a MW deja vu giving an inexperienced manager a team that was favored to win a WS and expecting him to get there. I'm not blaming DM solely due to the preponderance of injuries and regression of others but unfortunately there were not a lot of choices for managers out there. We do not know if Giardi was pursued but he did say he wanted a year off to spend with family.
 

[aspenbubba]

Maybe, but we're venturing into LOLNATS territory if we fire our manager AGAIN and expect it all to be fixed.

Honestly I look at this season as a blessing in disguise. We are going to get a HAUL for Harper, Murphy, Madson, Doolittle (maybe we keep him), Wieters, Gonzalez, Kendrick, Adams. Reload our crap farm system, look at 2019 as the year of a new core of Turner-Rendon-Eaton with the big guys in the rotation and hope Robles and whatever prospects we get can help us reload. The Yankees did it with fewer good assets.

They are FA and not under contract. There is no "haul" of ready for prime time prospects but rather draft choices. If you are referring to money freed up then do we go after FA's? And , that is contrary to Rizzo stated philosophy of "filling -in".

[aspenbubba]

In that case Martinez makes sense as the manager, overseeing a fire sale and a couple years of tanking for draft picks. He's perfect.

I would have kept Dusty as he seems to get the most out of "fringe" or developing players.

[Ray D]

I believe they pursued Girardi and he declined. 

 He wanted out.  If he had wanted to continue to manage he'd still be with the Yankees - I believe it was really his decision to leave, even if it was portrayed as the Yankees decision, I think Girardi forced their hand by his lack of enthusiasm for continuing.

In any case, if Girardi had wanted to manage the Nationals. He'd be the Nationals manager.

[Ray D]

They are FA and not under contract.

The haul he is referring to is what we'd get in trade at the deadline.  (And I don't think it would be that much of a haul.) And we're not trading Harper. Maybe Murphy but not Harper - it would be a public relations disaster, unless we are really, really bad, I mean, a .300 winning percentage or lower, and we won't be that bad.  As for Murphy, we wouldn't get much.

[Five Banners]

the Lerners would never pay the price. They don't value managers much.

Thus, we're left with interns at the helm during the best contention window. Ridiculous in terms of priorities for the dollars spent

[hotshot]

If only we'd ended up with Bud Black.

[spidernat]

yes it was tongue in cheek. i unfortunately know way too much about the 77 and 78 NYY teams

That's what I figured but Knorr made me think I had totally whiffed on something (and probably still am missing something that was between the lines ).

[varoadking]

Gotta wonder if Werth would have already asked him at what point he thought he lost the clubhouse...