PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[UMDNats]

Only $1.8 million guaranteed. The Nats are worth at least $1.6 billion, the only reason to not fire Davey tonight is pride freaking with the old man.

or, you know, you don't fire managers on april 13th of their first season.

[LoveAngelos]

On the bright side we will be able without much hand wining to trade Harper for some decent prospects.
He knows he's  gone. Lerner knows he's  gone now they can stop the charade

[van lingle mungo]

or, you know, you don't fire managers on april 13th of their first season.

LOL. Of course not. But on the other hand.......... This team is 2-8 since its 4-0 start. That doesn't bode well regarding the kind of leadership DM is trying to impart - never mind the camels, the fun bunch speech, and all of the innovative metrics bullcrap. This guy is Manny Acta recycled IMO, only in new and disturbing ways. I would love to be wrong, but that's my early take.

[Ray D]

"27 outs.  That's what I keep telling the guys, 27 outs".  What the hell is that supposed to mean?  He really is a re-tard.  Harper's not too much brighter: "We just need to have good at bats.  Then we'll be ok."

[PowerBoater69]

or, you know, you don't fire managers on april 13th of their first season.

So Lerner should watch his team circle the drain for a couple months to be fair to Martinez. Almost like a reverse mercy rule, can't pull the guy just because he sucks.

[PowerBoater69]

"27 outs.  That's what I keep telling the guys, 27 outs".  What the hell is that supposed to mean?  He really is a re-tard.  Harper's not too much brighter: "We just need to have good at bats.  Then we'll be ok."

Martinez originally reminded me of Jim Zorn because of the wacky stunts. His post game quotes are more like Norv Turner, he's losing his team and he has no idea how to fix it.

“What we got to do is get some clutch hits and we will be in really good shape”

[Scraps]

"27 outs.  That's what I keep telling the guys, 27 outs".  What the hell is that supposed to mean?  He really is a re-tard.  Harper's not too much brighter: "We just need to have good at bats.  Then we'll be ok."

Ray, add another one to the list - Dave Martinez, “we need to take our walks and be more aggressive”.   

He fits RIGHT IN here in Washington DC  that’s for sure.

 

[varoadking]

"27 outs.  That's what I keep telling the guys, 27 outs".  What the hell is that supposed to mean?

It means Turner lost us the game last night...

[dcpatti]

It means Turner lost us the game last night...

Which is probably why he left the clubhouse before the post game media meetings. Completely understandable — nobody wants that level of scrutiny when they already feel bad— but it’s awfully early in the season for guys to be sneaking out the back door.

[Scraps]

In all fairness to Dave Martinez, this team is going nowhere without a true leadoff hitter and some protection behind Bryce Harper.

Trea Turner has leadoff speed but he is no table setter with his long loose swing striking-out at around a 30% clip. Turner can’t hit off-speed pitching because he starts his swing so early to gear-up for 96mph fastballs/sliders then has to slow it down after his pitch recognition tells him it’s something different (Off-speed pitch). Turner is the epitome of the term “swinging a wet newspaper” versus breaking balls/ off-speed pitches. That “is why” he sucked in the Playoffs last year, and will always suck in the Playoffs versus the better pitching.
All that being said, Turner is probably our best option at lead-off until Eaton returns. Brian Goodwin has a nice compact stroke but seems to be a follower that has NO “GO-GETTER” in him at all. Goodwin has the tools but  seems to have that, “it just wasn’t meant to be” persona. When ready, Goodwin has become trade-bait to me.

If I were pitching and Ryan Zimmerman is the best protection Mike Rizzo can provide behind Bryce Harper, I would pay for Zimmerman’s limousine service to ensure he gets to the game safely each night so I too could stick the bat up his ass - especially in clutch situations.

Sorry, that’s just the way it is.

Go Nats BABY!!!

[BuckyHarris]

Yeah but...it goes to how much you can blame the mangler, also. Recall we had long periods of exhausted roosters who were supposed to be titans under Dusty too. There must be something else at play. Coaches? Dunno. Even Schu had his frustrations. Starters? Gio has always been unpredictable, Tanner runs hot and cold. Everybody wanted Don Michale to get another Arrieta-class starter. As somebody here said, 3-4-5 is a real problem. Didn't we see that coming? But hey, I rooted for the Senators. Welcome to DC baseball!

[Greg_SRT]

I was in favor of Dusty returning and was sad he didn’t.

But this isn’t on Dave. Guys aren’t hitting. And while I don’t agree with Dave’s batting order, there are too many guys not hitting for that to be a huge factor right now.

It’s not the manager that has caused Zimm and MAT to not hit. And balls they drive are puts. No manager is going to change that right now.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Jeff Sturgeon would be a better acquisition

At this point, Beluga Sturgeon might be a better manager, but I think the media would devour Beluga and the young'ns, too.

[LoveAngelos]

 





This whole thread is turning into a fishing expidition

[LoveAngelos]

In all fairness to Dave Martinez, this team is going nowhere without a true leadoff hitter and some protection behind Bryce Harper.

Trea Turner has leadoff speed but he is no table setter with his long loose swing striking-out at around a 30% clip. Turner can’t hit off-speed pitching because he starts his swing so early to gear-up for 96mph fastballs/sliders then has to slow it down after his pitch recognition tells him it’s something different (Off-speed pitch). Turner is the epitome of the term “swinging a wet newspaper” versus breaking balls/ off-speed pitches. That “is why” he sucked in the Playoffs last year, and will always suck in the Playoffs versus the better pitching.
All that being said, Turner is probably our best option at lead-off until Eaton returns. Brian Goodwin has a nice compact stroke but seems to be a follower that has NO “GO-GETTER” in him at all. Goodwin has the tools but  seems to have that, “it just wasn’t meant to be” persona. When ready, Goodwin has become trade-bait to me.

If I were pitching and Ryan Zimmerman is the best protection Mike Rizzo can provide behind Bryce Harper, I would pay for Zimmerman’s limousine service to ensure he gets to the game safely each night so I too could stick the bat up his ass - especially in clutch situations.

Sorry, that’s just the way it is.

Go Nats BABY!!!

I would add Turner to the trade bait roster we have seen his limits maybe some dumb donkey will think there is more

[Expos]

On the bright side we will be able without much hand wining to trade Harper for some decent prospects.
He knows he's  gone. Lerner knows he's  gone now they can stop the charade

Should have traded him in the off-season and shipped out Zimmerman right behind him and signed JD Martinez.

This team has no heart. How many years we have attempted the same thing with the same results? Is that not the definition of insanity?

This team cannot get it done.

[bluestreak]

This thread is absolutely insane

[spidernat]

bluestreak, when are you going to catch on?

[aBaltoNat]

This thread is absolutely insane

Says the dude with a community college degree.

Trea should only Continue to bat 2nd or leadoff to enhance his terrible trade value.

[PowerBoater69]

But this isn’t on Dave.

What else has changed from 2017? Pretty much the same team, with lots of games lost to injury. Only difference is a big downgrade at manager and on the coaching staff.

[LoveAngelos]

What else has changed from 2017?



You can now drown your Nats sorrows with a 24oz Becks which I find to be an extremely humanitarian gesture on the part of Nats management

[tzinc]

What else has changed from 2017? Pretty much the same team, with lots of games lost to injury. Only difference is a big downgrade at manager and on the coaching staff.

much better bullpen now then Dusty had for half a year yet somehow he managed to get win after win

[ChiliPalmer14]

With Eaton and Murphy out, it's reasonable to expect the offense to be closer to average.  When Moises Sierra is getting playing time, it only drops further.   They could be kept afloat with pleasant surprises like they had last year, but it's been pretty much opposite.  Taylor's OPS+ is 3.  3!!!  That's not even pitcher quality.

But who can you put in CF?  Robles is hurt and Goodwin is banged up.  Difo?  He's hitting okay, but in CF, that "D" doesn't stand for defense.  Who can you bat 4th?  Murphy is out, Rendon is banged up, but still anyone but Zim.  Kendrick, probably.  Adams has a good OPS, but he essentially isn't even available against lefties.  Mark Reynolds?  I'm not sure another high strikeout guy is the answer.  I'd bat Harper lead off until Eaton comes back.

Get Murphy, Eaton and Rendon back.  Make to tough decision to cut the dead weight and hope it's not too late by then.  If it is too late, I look at Zim and Taylor.  The team needed a hero (or a gyro) and they disintegrated.  The part of this that is on management is if they remain bullheaded until it's too late.  They envisioned Zim and Taylor as valuable starters.  Kendrick and Goodwin were to be bench pieces and spot starters.  If they don't get quicker on the trigger then they're putting their pride above the team.   

[BuckyHarris]

Catalan tzinc is right that Dusty repeatedly proved marvelous getting around all the injuries which seem to plague this team (more than others? I dunno). It was the playoffs where Dusty's reputation as a magician took a dive with many, apparently including the front office. You are right that without key players we are more toothless than we are with them against good pitching (when we are also sometimes toothless). Monday night de Grom again, arrgh......

[PowerBoater69]

Sure look like metal spikes to me.

Great looking cleats, but not smart to wear plastic on the heel in wet weather after what happened last time.