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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #275 on: April 09, 2018, 01:22:15 pm »
Five losses plenty of blame to go around. Harper deserves his share despite being our best hitter.

Highlights the need to make Baker an offer for one last shot.

:lmao: the fact people take you seriously when your flippin' avatar lets people know what you're doing kills me :lol:

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #276 on: April 09, 2018, 01:47:11 pm »
the lerners could save a couple million a year by letting WNFF manage via live voting

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Could you imagine the recriminations and back stabbing that would happen when not all ends well?      :hysterical:

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #277 on: April 09, 2018, 01:49:15 pm »
For better or worse Dave Martinez is the manager for the foreseeable future.  This team just needs to kick it in gear, hearing they're "playing good baseball" reminds me of the "it's early" mantra the team kept chanting in 2013, practically right up to the Barves clinching the division.  At some point there needs to be some sense of urgency with these guys.

That went over real well here on the good ol' WNFF, let me tell you. 

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #278 on: April 09, 2018, 01:51:28 pm »
They showed a lot of faith in MAT by not moving him and selling high. In addition they are batting him without protection.

As sure as the sun rising, MAT is going to be swinging. It’s who he is. Idk if he ever changes from that. But having him in situations that allow him to be pitched around only hurts him.

He may be too comfortable because of the Nats faith. He loses time to Goodwin may light that fire.

MAT not being moved may have had less to do with Nat's faith in him than what they may have been asking in return.  I like MAT...he's a more than solid outfielder, but his AB's are generally pretty shaky...

At this point, I'd start Goodwin...he's pretty capable...and since we have him, why not use him?  I actually would have traded him this offseason...

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« Reply #279 on: April 09, 2018, 01:55:35 pm »

 If Dave said "They're playing good baseball, well, I'd have to wonder which team he was talking about.

 

TBH I take this line as the generic oatmeal-type comment meant to give the media an answer without throwing anyone under the bus or causing more of a frenzy. Nobody needs a distraction right now. 

Let's see how Davey manages through adversity. Bullpen is cooked, weather sucks, losing is demoralizing. Quite a test for a rookie manager but if he can figure it out, maybe it becomes a learning experience for him. I don't want the first time he's really felt behind the 8-ball to be in October.

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« Reply #280 on: April 09, 2018, 02:25:32 pm »
MAT not being moved may have had less to do with Nat's faith in him than what they may have been asking in return.  I like MAT...he's a more than solid outfielder, but his AB's are generally pretty shaky...

At this point, I'd start Goodwin...he's pretty capable...and since we have him, why not use him?  I actually would have traded him this offseason...
MAT has speed, defense, and power. He will have a job for some time. He just needs less situations where he is being pitched around. He needs protection in the lineup.

He needs to stop swinging at balls not in the zone. But idk if he will stop that.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #281 on: April 09, 2018, 08:46:40 pm »
I believe, quite easily (and without over-reacting just for the sake of over-reacting), but...quite easily, I certainly have not seen anything that impressed me, at all, about him...

and, certainly, nothing that was lacking with having kept Dusty.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #282 on: April 09, 2018, 08:49:53 pm »
I believe, quite easily (and without over-reacting just for the sake of over-reacting), but...quite easily, I certainly have not seen anything that impressed me, at all, about him...

and, certainly, nothing that was lacking with having kept Dusty.

I walked over to the store today listenin' to 106.7 talk Nats   ...  as hard as that is to believe.    We all know Martinez spent a lot of time with Maddon and Maddon is a genius.     The thought crossed my mind that we may have hired Martinez based on Maddon's record.    However, standing next to a baseball "genius" in the dugout does not make you (generic) a genius.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #283 on: April 09, 2018, 11:14:09 pm »
There's plenty of room for liking or not liking the way Dusty manages, for liking or not liking the way Davey does. 

Tom, Davey retired from managing after the 2013 season. Martinez is just plain "Dave", until he earns his "Davey". Still early.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #284 on: April 09, 2018, 11:16:51 pm »
The thought crossed my mind that we may have hired Martinez based on Maddon's record.   

That thought just NOW crossed your mind? I hope that's not the case, anyway. Martinez is new school, metrics, the whole shebang - camels included....I don't care for that approach at all. It's lame. Manny Acta v.2 IMO, but with a bit more personality.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #285 on: April 10, 2018, 06:49:25 am »
Brain dead, stupid decision to allow Scherzer to steal that base. Having the most valuable player in the franchise running the bases in the rain was just idiotic.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #286 on: April 10, 2018, 07:28:21 am »
He let's players do what they want regardless how it may impact the team.
If Harper tells him I want to run into the outfield wall tonight .....

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #287 on: April 10, 2018, 08:00:12 am »
Brain dead, stupid decision to allow Scherzer to steal that base. Having the most valuable player in the franchise running the bases in the rain was just idiotic.

That stolen base was basically pure joy. It was fun, exciting and a good baseball play in a close game. Leave it to you and this forum in general to try to suck all of the fun out of something that was pretty much loved by everyone.
I mean why even have him hit if you think it’s dumb for him to run bases.
Precision trolling indeed...

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« Reply #288 on: April 10, 2018, 08:05:41 am »
That stolen base was basically pure joy. It was fun, exciting and a good baseball play in a close game. Leave it to you and this forum in general to try to suck all of the fun out of something that was pretty much loved by everyone.
I mean why even have him hit if you think it’s dumb for him to run bases.
Precision trolling indeed...


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« Reply #289 on: April 10, 2018, 08:41:33 am »

Offline Ray D

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #290 on: April 10, 2018, 08:46:22 am »
That stolen base was basically pure joy. It was fun, exciting and a good baseball play in a close game. Leave it to you and this forum in general to try to suck all of the fun out of something that was pretty much loved by everyone.
I mean why even have him hit if you think it’s dumb for him to run bases.
Precision trolling indeed...
Not only that, but Scherzer did it on his own. What, are they going to tell him he is not allowed to steal?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #291 on: April 10, 2018, 08:48:14 am »
That thought just NOW crossed your mind?
Yeah that was my reaction too.  Clearly, it's the only reason, and it's a poor reason. He and Maddon have very different personalities and if he tries to model his managing after Maddon it will be a failure.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #292 on: April 10, 2018, 08:51:30 am »
Not only that, but Scherzer did it on his own. What, are they going to tell him he is not allowed to steal?

Can they call a safety time out like in kids’ sports?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #293 on: April 10, 2018, 08:59:37 am »
Not only that, but Scherzer did it on his own. What, are they going to tell him he is not allowed to steal?

Yes, that's what Dusty and Matt told him.  Do NOT steal.


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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #294 on: April 10, 2018, 10:54:07 am »
Brain dead, stupid decision to allow Scherzer to steal that base. Having the most valuable player in the franchise running the bases in the rain was just idiotic.

So you're saying the solution is to bring the DH to the NL?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #295 on: April 10, 2018, 08:48:18 pm »
Yes, that's what Dusty and Matt told him.  Do NOT steal.

That is what any sane manager would say. We owe the guy over a hundred million dollars to throw the ball, not run the bases. He gets hurt and our season is over. Martinez wants to be a cool guy in the clubhouse.

It didn't even make sense to risk the out with the top of the order coming up. No need to try to manufacture a run in that situation, just load them up and get Harper to the plate.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #296 on: April 10, 2018, 09:34:06 pm »
That is what any sane manager would say. We owe the guy over a hundred million dollars to throw the ball, not run the bases. He gets hurt and our season is over. Martinez wants to be a cool guy in the clubhouse.

It didn't even make sense to risk the out with the top of the order coming up. No need to try to manufacture a run in that situation, just load them up and get Harper to the plate.

Inferring that The Big Intern was sane is something of a stretch...

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #297 on: April 11, 2018, 04:45:02 pm »
I thought we hired Martinez for better game management. He's not doing so hot in extra innings.

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« Reply #298 on: April 11, 2018, 05:29:04 pm »
I thought we hired Martinez for better game management.
No. We hired him to win game 5 of the NLDS. Won't we all be embarrassed if we don't even make the playoffs?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #299 on: April 11, 2018, 05:40:48 pm »
I thought we hired Martinez for better game management. He's not doing so hot in extra innings.
Besides being deaf am I losing my eyesight? I swore I saw Kelley, Doolittle and Madson pitch in extra innings today. Yes, I do believe he made a mistake when Cole last pitched not batting for him with the bases loaded. I also believe Cole redeemed himself today and instead of being DFA'ed he deserves a shot in the 'pen as a long man.