2018-2019 Offseason Moves

[Mattionals]

Let's get Bumgarner


Denaburg and Antuna for Maddison Bumgarner

Who says no?

What is Bumgarner's contract? Any plausability of throwing Roark in on that deal and put Luis Garcia in?

[Slateman]

What is Bumgarner's contract? Any plausability of throwing Roark in on that deal and put Luis Garcia in?

MadBum has one year at 12 million.

Move Roark for a ham sandwich. Hes done.

[Mattionals]

MadBum has one year at 12 million.

Move Roark for a ham sandwich. Hes done.

The only way I see Roark being moved, is if someone is willing to swap contracts. I think the Nats made a big mistake tendering him a contract, but I have a gut feeling that it was a moral thing.

[zimm_da_kid]

Eaton for Carrasco straight up

[Slateman]

Eaton for Carrasco straight up

They say no and that leaves high and dry an OFer

[Slateman]

I do still want to trade or sign another starter. Robbie Ray or Jeremy Hellickson would do. Then either trade Roark for a sandwich, or keep him and convert Ross to a pen arm

[Elvir Ovcina]

I do still want to trade or sign another starter. Robbie Ray or Jeremy Hellickson would do. Then either trade Roark for a sandwich, or keep him and convert Ross to a pen arm

I'd be on board with that.  Good stuff, good bounceback candidate, decent pitcher even if 2017 was the high water mark.  Roark then slots in at the back end as a durable innings eater, as the slots ahead of him mostly would be filled with some guys who will almost certainly miss some starts.

[bluestreak]

I do still want to trade or sign another starter. Robbie Ray or Jeremy Hellickson would do. Then either trade Roark for a sandwich, or keep him and convert Ross to a pen arm

I’d be happy to bring back Hellickson. I would be less excited giving up farm depth for Ray.

[Slateman]

I'd trade Taylor and Crowe for Ray. Dude is basically a lefty version of Max at the same point in his career.

[raleighnat]

I'd trade Taylor and Crowe for Ray. Dude is basically a lefty version of Max at the same point in his career.

Ray would be good.  Kluber would be awesome.

[hotshot]

I do still want to trade or sign another starter. Robbie Ray or Jeremy Hellickson would do. Then either trade Roark for a sandwich, or keep him and convert Ross to a pen arm

Roark was a failure out of the pen but .. that was when was was sulking, wanting his starter slot back. If he was out of the rotation, I wonder if he could be an effective long man.

[UMDNats]

If we got another starter and wanted to be creative, I'd use Roark and Fedde as dual-long men, each getting 2-3 innings every 5th day.

[Slateman]

Roark was a failure out of the pen but .. that was when was was sulking, wanting his starter slot back. If he was out of the rotation, I wonder if he could be an effective long man.

If we got another starter and wanted to be creative, I'd use Roark and Fedde as dual-long men, each getting 2-3 innings every 5th day.

Roark is a failure and isnt worth 10 million out of the pen.

[UMDNats]

Sure you think that but in the real world he's still probably going to be on the OD roster.

[Slateman]

Sure you think that but in the real world he's still probably going to be on the OD roster.

The goal should be to construct a rotation in which he is not.

[UMDNats]

To me, a 98 ERA+ out of the #5 spot is totally fine, especially when the guy gives you 30 starts. I'd like another starter to push him down but I think you've overplaying his suckiness. He had 2 terrible months last year and 3 good ones. September was bad but just 3 starts so it's a wash. I'm not as down on him as you.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

I believe Roark can and will bounce back and give us 180+ solid innings.  He's 32, so not "over the hill."  He's been healthy.  He was great in 2014 (2.85 ERA), had a rough 2015 bouncing back and forth from the bullpen, then was great again in 2016 (2.83 ERA).  Granted, he now has had 2 sub-par years in a row, but I just think he'll figure it out.  He's a competitor, and he's going to want to secure a decent free agent deal that takes him to the close of his career.  Motivation can be a powerful thing. 

I'd be interested in some theories as to why he tailed off so much in 2017 and 2018.

[DPMOmaha]

LOL at Roark being a failure.

[Squab]

The goal should be to construct a rotation in which he is not.

2 WAR is pretty dang good for a 4th/5th starter, if you think he can roughly reproduce last season, especially for just 10M. Dude isn't going anywhere.

[varoadking]

2 WAR is pretty dang good for a 4th/5th starter, if you think he can roughly reproduce last season, especially for just 10M. Dude isn't going anywhere.

Be nice if he reported to camp in shape for a change...that may make a difference...

[Slateman]

Hes regressed two consecutive seasons and hes 32. Anyone who thinks hes going to produce even as well as last year is foolish. You'll be lucky to get a sub 5 ERA out of him

[Slateman]

Honestly, after seeing what Goldy went for, we should be able to get the DBacks to eat a lot of salary and still not part with Keiboom.

[zimm_da_kid]

Or see if Ray could be had with greinke.  Ray is still pretty cheap.  If we could shed Roark in the deal plus Luis Garcia as the "headliner" and some assortment of Taylor, Severino, Fedde, Ross, Crowe based on what they'd prefer.  D backs shed $10+ mil, get one very good young shortsop prospect back who's looking like a fast mover, and the nats fill out their rotation somewhat affordably (if you average out greinke and ray's salary).

[bluestreak]

Or see if Ray could be had with greinke.  Ray is still pretty cheap.  If we could shed Roark in the deal plus Luis Garcia as the "headliner" and some assortment of Taylor, Severino, Fedde, Ross, Crowe based on what they'd prefer.  D backs shed $10+ mil, get one very good young shortsop prospect back who's looking like a fast mover, and the nats fill out their rotation somewhat affordably (if you average out greinke and ray's salary).

I don’t see that happening, but that would be a crazy rotation. Ray as your 5th(!) starter?

[zimm_da_kid]

I don’t see that happening, but that would be a crazy rotation. Ray as your 5th(!) starter?

Probably Scherzer, greinke, Corbin, stras, Ray.  It's arbitrary as long as Scherzer is #1 and Ray and Corbin aren't back to back.  It would also effectively be us importing three fifths of Diamondbacks rotation