2018-2019 Offseason Moves

[UMDNats]

Pass on Grienke. Price isn't worth it in both money and prospects needed.

[varoadking]

Google him and his not wanting to come to a losing franchise.    He wanted to "win now".     How'd that work out for him?   

Sounds like Carl Alzner...who I still like but somewhat less after his similar comment.  Got him a boatload of cash and a great view of the games from the pressbox.

[NJ Ave]

We are gonna pay a 35-year old junkballer $100+ million over the next 3 years? Huh?

[mitlen]

Sounds like Carl Alzner...who I still like but somewhat less after his similar comment.  Got him a boatload of cash and a great view of the games from the pressbox.

Missus tells me I hold grudges.

[DCFan]

I won't forget his attitude.    To each their own.

Sports is just renting people for the short term to get our team across the finish line in first place. And even then we're only rooting for the clothes.
https://vimeo.com/47283296

[mitlen]

Sports is just renting people for the short term to get our team across the finish line in first place. And even then we're only rooting for the clothes.
https://vimeo.com/47283296

If Harper goes, he'll be dead to me as well.     

[DCFan]

If Harper goes, he'll be dead to me as well.     

I'll just be rooting for the next guy to wear #34 in a Nats uni.

[UMDNats]

I'll just be rooting for the next guy to wear #34 in a Nats uni.

don't put it past the lerners to retire #34 and put him in the ring of honor in his first game back with the phillies

[mitlen]

don't put it past the lerners to retire #34 and put him in the ring of honor in his first game back with the phillies

[Greg_SRT]

We are gonna pay a 35-year old junkballer $100+ million over the next 3 years? Huh?

No.

You are giving 100 Million over 3 to one of the Top SP in MLB. One that has a history of being a Top SP in MLB over a good number of seasons. That sounds pretty good compared to...

A) A SP in the open market that isn't either as Elite or doesn't have the consistent history as Zack
B) Hasn't been a top of the rotation SP

If you can sign Corbin (for example) to 20 million a year... ok. Doubt that happens. But he's hunting for 5 years or more. I'm done with Zack after 3.

3 years of Zack at 100 Million with the history of performance vs the market at minimum 25 million with at least 5 years if not more...

[Slateman]

Nope.    I have a long memory.

Too bad ROark doesn't

[NJ Ave]

No.

You are giving 100 Million over 3 to one of the Top SP in MLB. One that has a history of being a Top SP in MLB over a good number of seasons. That sounds pretty good compared to...

A) A SP in the open market that isn't either as Elite or doesn't have the consistent history as Zack
B) Hasn't been a top of the rotation SP

If you can sign Corbin (for example) to 20 million a year... ok. Doubt that happens. But he's hunting for 5 years or more. I'm done with Zack after 3.

3 years of Zack at 100 Million with the history of performance vs the market at minimum 25 million with at least 5 years if not more...

This isn't 2009, and Zack Greinke isn't one of the best SP in baseball. When he WAS the best SP in baseball in 2009, his FB averaged 94.1. In 2015 when he had his second best season, his FB averaged 92.5 MPH. Even last season when he was very good, his fastball averaged 91.0 MPH.

This past season, when he morphed into a 35-year old junkballer, his FB averaged 89.6 MPH to rank 51st out of 56 qualified SP in fastball velocity.

He's a very smart guy who knows how to pitch, and I'm not saying he won't be a valuable SP for the next 3 seasons. But he's not one of the top SP in MLB anymore.

[Greg_SRT]

This isn't 2009, and Zack Greinke isn't one of the best SP in baseball. When he WAS the best SP in baseball in 2009, his FB averaged 94.1. In 2015 when he had his second best season, his FB averaged 92.5 MPH. Even last season when he was very good, his fastball averaged 91.0 MPH.

This past season, when he morphed into a 35-year old junkballer, his FB averaged 89.6 MPH to rank 51st out of 56 qualified SP in fastball velocity.

He's a very smart guy who knows how to pitch, and I'm not saying he won't be a valuable SP for the next 3 seasons. But he's not one of the top SP in MLB anymore.

17th in ERA
10th in WHIP
19th in K’s
17th in Wins

Not in N.L.... MLB

Yes he is in the top. 30 teams minimum 5 SP per = minimum 150 SP.

[Natsinpwc]

17th in ERA
10th in WHIP
19th in K’s
17th in Wins

Not in N.L.... MLB

Yes he is in the top. 30 teams minimum 5 SP per = minimum 150 SP.

He’s ready to fall off the cliff. In any event given how could he has been what do you think it would take to get him? Robles?

[Greg_SRT]

He’s ready to fall off the cliff. In any event given how could he has been what do you think it would take to get him? Robles?

I’m willing to take all that salary in return for dogcrap

If they aren’t willing than move on.

[Baseball is Life]

If Harper goes, he'll be dead to me as well.     

This. Especially if a player leaves as a FA after my team gives him a very good offer. If he's traded or the team lowballs him, I would give that player the benefit of the doubt. You know, maybe he really wanted to stay here. But if he chooses another offer for whatever reason (and I don't begrudge him that at all) then he's dead to me.

[Natsinpwc]

I’m willing to take all that salary in return for dogcrap

If they aren’t willing than move on.

Can’t see that happening.

[Natsinpwc]

This. Especially if a player leaves as a FA after my team gives him a very good offer. If he's traded or the team lowballs him, I would give that player the benefit of the doubt. You know, maybe he really wanted to stay here. But if he chooses another offer for whatever reason (and I don't begrudge him that at all) then he's dead to me.

So now you will treat him how some Phillies fans did Werth? How unfair of you.

[Greg_SRT]

Can’t see that happening.

You are probably right. Depends how bad they want to lose that money while rebuilding

[mitlen]

So now you will treat him how some Phillies fans did Werth? How unfair of you.

I won't boo him but I sure won't give him a "warm welcome".     Maybe it'll be time for a beer/bathroom run.    Kind of like when they do "God Bless America".     

[Natsinpwc]

You are probably right. Depends how bad they want to lose that money while rebuilding

They will get better offers at the trade deadline. Always some contender that needs a starter.

[Greg_SRT]

They will get better offers at the trade deadline. Always some contender that needs a starter.

Well I don’t agree with the Nats giving up anything meaningful.

[Natsinpwc]

Well I don’t agree with the Nats giving up anything meaningful.

Yanks just gave up a top prospect to get Paxton.

[Baseball is Life]

So now you will treat him how some Phillies fans did Werth? How unfair of you.

I won't treat him like that because I don't boo. I will just treat him like any other opposing player.

There are of course some unusual situations where a guy might have a long career here and then come back...

[Natsinpwc]

I won't treat him like that because I don't boo. I will just treat him like any other opposing player.

There are of course some unusual situations where a guy might have a long career here and then come back...

No wonder the Nats can’t win with fans that don’t boo the opponents.