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Offline Ali the Baseball Cat

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #925 on: July 26, 2018, 03:36:31 pm »
Your chances of scraping out a LDS win after making the playoffs this way are probably better than as a 100-win favourite
Marlins have been playing decently of late. They have won 6 out of 10 and have climbed out of the cellar. I just think it's a basic minimum test. If you cant win this series it really is time to hang it up. But the Nats next 10 games are vs the Marlins, Reds, and Mets. Beating up on mediocre teams is how you climb back into this.

Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #926 on: July 26, 2018, 03:39:59 pm »
I get those who are saying to sell given how things are going and wouldn't be opposed to it assuming they can get good enough prospects back in return. On the other hand, the Braves are 7-10 in their last 17, haven't won a series since late June, have a tough schedule upcoming and they come to Nats Park for 4 games in early August. Phillies are 16-8 in their last 24 but also have a tough schedule upcoming and the Nats have 6 games with them in August.

Plus given how much they have coming off the payroll at the end of the season they can easily re-load for 2019 over the winter anyway. I'd be shocked if Rizzo and the Lerners decided to sell. 

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #927 on: July 26, 2018, 03:53:15 pm »
time to break this into a "2018 Fire Sale" thread?

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #928 on: July 26, 2018, 03:55:26 pm »
"Harper's Bazaar"?
time to break this into a "2018 Fire Sale" thread?

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #929 on: July 26, 2018, 03:57:08 pm »
I get those who are saying to sell given how things are going and wouldn't be opposed to it assuming they can get good enough prospects back in return. On the other hand, the Braves are 7-10 in their last 17, haven't won a series since late June, have a tough schedule upcoming and they come to Nats Park for 4 games in early August. Phillies are 16-8 in their last 24 but also have a tough schedule upcoming and the Nats have 6 games with them in August.

Plus given how much they have coming off the payroll at the end of the season they can easily re-load for 2019 over the winter anyway. I'd be shocked if Rizzo and the Lerners decided to sell. 


The Brewers just beat us in a series, looking...a lot better than us in the process. I also have zero faith we can win 2 of the 6 against the Phillies in August, let alone take 4 or 5. The Pirates are surging. The NL West has both the Dodgers and Diamondbacks; the Wild Card looks even more daunting than the division.

We can re-load in 2019 - what, using all free agents? That sounds awesome and in no way risky! We could, on the other hand, punt this season when our chances at the postseason realistically are low and our chances at a World Series are almost zero, and get some decent-level prospects who will buoy our dog crap of a farm system.

We've been listless, boring, and non-competitive for almost six weeks. Our offense is inconsistent at best, lifeless at worse - and the latter has been the standard for a long time. Our MVP hitter shows 0 signs of breaking out. Murphy has no legs. Soto is carrying us but he's 19 and showing kinks in the armor. Eaton looks good but he's just a leadoff guy. Turner is hot and cold. We have one starting pitcher we can trust to throw 5 innings. The only reason we're even close to the playoffs is because of one hot stretch that, right now, looks more like an anomaly than our actual ability. We were awful to start the year, got hot for about 3 weeks, then got ice cold. Something tells me we aren't breaking out and becoming division champions for no reason.

4 games vs. Miami won't convince me we all of the sudden are a 90-win team, and the only way I think we shouldn't sell is if we magically win 7 or 8 in a row and the braves and phillies both lose 7 of 8 or something.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #930 on: July 26, 2018, 03:57:42 pm »
"Harper's Bazaar"?

Harper's no more bazaar than, say, Rendon.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #931 on: July 26, 2018, 04:29:33 pm »
Braves have a 4 gamer vs. the Dodgers this weekend. The Phils have 4 in Cincy. Nats should be able to make up some ground there.

The Braves their September is vs. all teams likely to be in contention, with the exception of 3 vs. the Mets (unless we completely fall out of it, which of course, is certainly possible). Phils have 7 of next 14 vs. Boston and Arizona, 5 of those on the road after the Cincy series. Plus with the Nats having 7 remaining vs. ATL and 9 vs. PHI, there are opportuinities for the Nats. Lots of them. But they need Tanner to replicate what he did yesterday. Hellickson to keep giving 5 solid innings. And Strasburg to stay on the mound. If he pitches like he did down the stretch in 2015 (Yes, I know how that season ended), then the Nats can get back in this thing. Problem is, they just haven't shown any capability of doing it this year. Teams have done it before, it's just tough to believe this one will. They've got the talent to do it, though.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #932 on: July 26, 2018, 04:31:45 pm »
Wouldn't be surprised if we split the series with Miami.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #933 on: July 26, 2018, 04:36:12 pm »
Wouldn't be surprised if we split the series with Miami.
There's not really any outcome that would surprise me this weekend.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #934 on: July 26, 2018, 04:43:40 pm »
Just a guess - I don't think they move Harper before the 7/31 deadline, but then they put him on revocable waivers in August to look into an August deal.  This would buy them a little time before deciding what to do.  At his price, he should make it to the contenders, who then would be unlikely to place a claim just to block him because of the price tag.  Anyone who does claim him would try to cut a deal for him and could offer guys in their minors. 

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #935 on: July 26, 2018, 04:59:15 pm »
That's all I care about.  I want a reason to watch the games.  Otherwise, there are two+ months left with no baseball, far as I'm concerned.

Ray, I'm happy for you that you feel you have a reason to watch.  I'm at the point where, as I'm watching the game I'm saying to myself, "why am I watching this game?"  Only exception is when Max is on the mound.  BELOW .500 AT THE END OF JULY.   No Stras, no Doolittle -- NO MAS.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #936 on: July 26, 2018, 05:10:20 pm »
"why am I watching this game?" 

As far as I'm concerned...blue skies, green grass and cold beer...

But then, I'm totally chill...  :D

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #937 on: July 26, 2018, 05:17:39 pm »
Ray, I'm happy for you that you feel you have a reason to watch.  I'm at the point where, as I'm watching the game I'm saying to myself, "why am I watching this game?" 

I say that alot too.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #938 on: July 26, 2018, 05:22:39 pm »
Braves have a 4 gamer vs. the Dodgers this weekend. The Phils have 4 in Cincy. Nats should be able to make up some ground there.

Wouldn't we have to win some games to make up ground?  We're 2-3 since the ASB, and 8-12 in July.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #939 on: July 26, 2018, 05:36:07 pm »
Lets leave Miami with JT.

Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #940 on: July 26, 2018, 05:41:04 pm »
The Brewers just beat us in a series, looking...a lot better than us in the process. I also have zero faith we can win 2 of the 6 against the Phillies in August, let alone take 4 or 5. The Pirates are surging. The NL West has both the Dodgers and Diamondbacks; the Wild Card looks even more daunting than the division.

Brewers just beat us in a series in which we had our 3-5 starters, and game 2 could have been a win and we beat the crap out of them yesterday. I haven't seen anything that tells me the Braves & Phils are that much better than us in the games vs them this season. We've basically played both teams evenly and several of the Nats losses in those games could have gone either way. The WC isn't relevant to me because the division is a much better path anyway.


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We can re-load in 2019 - what, using all free agents? That sounds awesome and in no way risky! We could, on the other hand, punt this season when our chances at the postseason realistically are low and our chances at a World Series are almost zero, and get some decent-level prospects who will buoy our dog crap of a farm system.

Actually yes, free agents and trades are what the Nats and other top teams usually do over the winter. $82 million is coming off the books with Gio, Murphy, Madson, Bryce, Wieters, Kelley and Herrera among others. Plenty of $$$ for Rizzo to pursue free agents this winter and keep in mind he's never really had to part with top prospects to make good trades. Can't think of any of the other prospects he's traded who have panned out elsewhere other than Felipe Vazquez. Plus who do you think we're getting by trading off the FAs? The answer is a bunch of A or AA 18/19 year olds who won't be ready for 3-4 years, that is if they're actually talented enough anyway. Plus Soto is already up and Robles could be next year, and Fedde could be a #5 in the rotation next year, so there are your prospects who can contribute in 2019. You wouldn't be getting guys in their 20s who are good enough to help this team in 2019. The Nats current system is hardly "dog crap."

Unless you're getting a 2019-ready #3 or #4 starter in return, there's no point because the lineup is basically set next year sans 2B and C. Now if they could get a top catching prospect who would be ready next year they could move a reliever, but that would be about it. Wouldn't be opposed to moving Madson or Kelley right now but they wouldn't bring back much.


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We've been listless, boring, and non-competitive for almost six weeks. Our offense is inconsistent at best, lifeless at worse - and the latter has been the standard for a long time. Our MVP hitter shows 0 signs of breaking out. Murphy has no legs. Soto is carrying us but he's 19 and showing kinks in the armor. Eaton looks good but he's just a leadoff guy. Turner is hot and cold. We have one starting pitcher we can trust to throw 5 innings. The only reason we're even close to the playoffs is because of one hot stretch that, right now, looks more like an anomaly than our actual ability. We were awful to start the year, got hot for about 3 weeks, then got ice cold. Something tells me we aren't breaking out and becoming division champions for no reason.

Not going to disagree with any of that other than to say that this team needs the opportunity to turn things around. This is still a group that has won 95+ games the last 2 years. We have 4 games with the struggling Braves and 6 with the Phillies in August, plus a hot couple of weeks for the Nats combined with a cold spell for the Braves (which they're already having) and the Phillies gets the Nats right back in the race.
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #941 on: July 26, 2018, 05:42:19 pm »
Lets leave Miami with JT.

Not if they still want Robles.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #942 on: July 26, 2018, 05:46:15 pm »
Not if they still want Robles.

Do it for 1 of the other 2 top 100 we have.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #943 on: July 26, 2018, 06:21:23 pm »
Robles and Kieboom might get us Realmuto. 

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #944 on: July 26, 2018, 06:40:10 pm »
Lets leave Miami with JT.
Straight-up side bet. If the Fish win the series they get Harper, if we win we get Realmuto.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #945 on: July 26, 2018, 06:45:58 pm »
Straight-up side bet. If the Fish win the series they get Harper, if we win we get Realmuto.
Why would they want Harper for two months?

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #946 on: July 26, 2018, 06:48:50 pm »
Robles and Kieboom might get us Realmuto.

I would not do this for a catcher.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #947 on: July 26, 2018, 06:54:53 pm »
Why would they want Harper for two months?

He could double the Miami attendance overnight. There’s at least 100 Harper fans in the area!

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #948 on: July 26, 2018, 08:02:17 pm »
If we truly could have gotten Realmuto and Castro as a package back in the Spring, we should have. Regardless of whether it would've taken Robles. 

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #949 on: July 26, 2018, 08:49:47 pm »
He could double the Miami attendance overnight. There’s at least 100 Harper fans in the area!
Then we should trade them Gio