Author Topic: What to trade? (Read 69731 times)

bluestreak · « **Reply #850 on:** July 24, 2018, 12:50:45 pm »

Quote from: imref on July 24, 2018, 12:48:28 pm

Max

People nag about Max all the time here...

bluestreak · « **Reply #851 on:** July 24, 2018, 12:51:42 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on July 24, 2018, 12:47:37 pm

Soto.

I agree on Soto, but I imagine it's only a matter of time.

spidernat · « **Reply #852 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:09:26 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 24, 2018, 12:46:27 pm

I ask this question seriously? Is there any player on the Nats that a majority of WNFF likes? I mean I would have guessed Murphy and Eaton, but people here even turned on them when they were slow to come back from injury. Is there any player that has built up enough good will that they could have a slump or make a mistake and not have people here calling for their benching? I actually can't think of anyone...

are you freaking serious? this forum is filled with fanbois dealing with carpal tunnel from stroking so many players' cocks. But are you saying Turner doesn't deserve to be benched for what happened last night?

Slateman · « **Reply #853 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:11:51 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on July 24, 2018, 12:47:02 pm

Various people here have various complaints against Turner. Argues too many called strikes. Tries to hit for power. Doesn't want to put in the work. (Neither of the first two bothers me and the third is absurd.) But before last night I have never seen any lack of hustle from him, he's one of the most energetic players on the team. That's why I think there's something seriously wrong and that it's more a reflection on Martinez than on Turner. Bringing up Harper's behavior over the past four years completely misses the point. Harper is a totally different breed of human.

The lack of hustle is simply frustration. Ever since the Pittsburgh series, he's been slumping hard. He's slumping hard because he's fallen back into his bad habits. He's letting the moment take over and it's overwhelming him.

There's too many similarities between this team and other Nationals teams for it to be Martinez. Strasburg's body language, lack of effort, Anthony Rendon smiling as he strikes out in a bad spot, ect. Too many coincidences.

bluestreak · « **Reply #854 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:21:10 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on July 24, 2018, 01:09:26 pm

are you freaking serious? this forum is filled with fanbois dealing with carpal tunnel from stroking so many players' cocks. But are you saying Turner doesn't deserve to be benched for what happened last night?

No, I am not saying that at all. But I also don't think he needs to be traded...

spidernat · « **Reply #855 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:27:01 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 24, 2018, 01:21:10 pm

No, I am not saying that at all. But I also don't think he needs to be traded...

I don't know if I would go that far but I guess it depends on what he brings back. Also, if these guys don't respect Martinez and are doing what the hell they want then sure you MAY blame Martinez for that (or rather the person that hired him) but what about these freaking players? When are they held accountable? They want to run the show while they're not producing and then let the manager take the blame for their failure while they continue to collect salaries. freak them!

bluestreak · « **Reply #856 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:39:03 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on July 24, 2018, 01:27:01 pm

I don't know if I would go that far but I guess it depends on what he brings back. Also, if these guys don't respect Martinez and are doing what the hell they want then sure you MAY blame Martinez for that (or rather the person that hired him) but what about these freaking players? When are they held accountable? They want to run the show while they're not producing and then let the manager take the blame for their failure while they continue to collect salaries. freak them!

He won't bring back fair value. Here is the fangraphs trade value rankings

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-trade-value-1-to-10/

spidernat · « **Reply #857 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:41:01 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 24, 2018, 01:39:03 pm

He won't bring back fair value. Here is the fangraphs trade value rankings

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-trade-value-1-to-10/

that's what I mean. at this point I would trade Harper without hesitation

UMDNats · « **Reply #858 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:43:05 pm »

Yeah I'm not a fan of trading a young solid shortstop with potential for more. People are like "we have someone who could fill in!" are making that up. Difo is a bench guy and Kieboom is in AA. Let's not trade a good young shortstop because this season has gone into the crapter. The "core" we should look at for 2019 is Max, Strasburg, Eaton, Rendon, Soto, Turner, Doolittle and, maybe, Robles. Taylor maybe too because at worst he's a 4th OF.

Slateman · « **Reply #859 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:47:22 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 24, 2018, 01:43:05 pm

Yeah I'm not a fan of trading a young solid shortstop with potential for more. People are like "we have someone who could fill in!" are making that up. Difo is a bench guy and Kieboom is in AA. Let's not trade a good young shortstop because this season has gone into the crapter. The "core" we should look at for 2019 is Max, Strasburg, Eaton, Rendon, Soto, Turner, Doolittle and, maybe, Robles. Taylor maybe too because at worst he's a 4th OF.

Max and Strasburg will be a year older and most likely starting their decline. Doolittle is fragile. So right there, almost half of your "core" isn't going to play as well as this year or be available. Eaton could be in that as well.

The window is closed. You can either accept this and start the rebuild now, or live in denial and watch the team struggle to play .500 ball next season in a division that will need 93+ wins to clinch.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #860 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:49:30 pm »

Quote from: imref on July 24, 2018, 12:48:28 pm

Max

Doolittle, Masson and Adams

UMDNats · « **Reply #861 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:52:24 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 24, 2018, 01:47:22 pm

Max and Strasburg will be a year older and most likely starting their decline. Doolittle is fragile. So right there, almost half of your "core" isn't going to play as well as this year or be available. Eaton could be in that as well.

The window is closed. You can either accept this and start the rebuild now, or live in denial and watch the team struggle to play .500 ball next season in a division that will need 93+ wins to clinch.

Sure, I'd be down blowing it up building around Soto, Turner and Robles. Unfortunately, that won't happen. So our next-best thing is to deal any impending free agents and see what 2019 gives us.

bluestreak · « **Reply #862 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:56:03 pm »

Again, i'd love to see the team that WNFF could crowdsource as a GM. Everyone would be on one month contracts so they can be more easily cashiered...

Slateman · « **Reply #863 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:57:58 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 24, 2018, 01:56:03 pm

Again, i'd love to see the team that WNFF could crowdsource as a GM. Everyone would be on one month contracts so they can be more easily cashiered...

Except we'd have Mark Texeria and Prince Fielder on 10 year, 200 million dollar deals

imref · « **Reply #864 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:18:30 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 24, 2018, 01:57:58 pm

Except we'd have Mark Texeria and Prince Fielder on 10 year, 200 million dollar deals

1st base would have been crowded as we would have had Dunn and Morse too.

UMDNats · « **Reply #865 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:19:08 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 24, 2018, 01:56:03 pm

Again, i'd love to see the team that WNFF could crowdsource as a GM. Everyone would be on one month contracts so they can be more easily cashiered...

We'd all just defer to ZDK and get insanely one-sided trade proposals in our favor

imref · « **Reply #866 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:21:44 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 24, 2018, 01:47:22 pm

Max and Strasburg will be a year older and most likely starting their decline. Doolittle is fragile. So right there, almost half of your "core" isn't going to play as well as this year or be available. Eaton could be in that as well.

The window is closed. You can either accept this and start the rebuild now, or live in denial and watch the team struggle to play .500 ball next season in a division that will need 93+ wins to clinch.

2019 starting line-up:

1. Eaton RF
2. Robles CF
3. Soto LF
4. Rendon 3B
5. Turner SS
6. Zimmerman 1B
7. Kieboom 2B
8. Severino C

Rotation: Max, Strasburg, Roark, Ross, Fedde (maybe Voth)

That's still competitive, and that's before any potential FA signings / trades.

Ray D · « **Reply #867 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:22:39 pm »

Quote from: imref on July 24, 2018, 02:18:30 pm

1st base would have been crowded as we would have had Dunn and Morse too.

Well Dunn was our consolation prize for not getting Texeria, so we would not have had both.

Slateman · « **Reply #868 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:28:58 pm »

Quote from: imref on July 24, 2018, 02:21:44 pm

That's still competitive, and that's before any potential FA signings / trades.

Not in this division. What, you think the Braves and Phillies are going to magically lose all of their young talent?

UMDNats · « **Reply #869 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:31:04 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 24, 2018, 02:28:58 pm

Not in this division. What, you think the Braves and Phillies are going to magically lose all of their young talent?

In 2012: What, you think the Nats will get worse in 2013?
In 2014: What, you think the Nats will get worse in 2015?

crap happens and baseball is unpredictable.

catocony · « **Reply #870 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:54:10 pm »

If they're going to give up and sell, then Gio, Wieters, Harper, Murphy and Madson are the ones to sell. No one else. If you trade away everyone like Rendon and Turner for minor leaguers, the team is back to 2007. No one wants that.

catocony · « **Reply #871 on:** July 24, 2018, 02:55:43 pm »

Quote from: imref on July 24, 2018, 02:21:44 pm

2019 starting line-up:

7. Kieboom 2B

That's still competitive, and that's before any potential FA signings / trades.

Rookie Monster Alert. Guy pencils in a kid to start next April who has never taken a swing above AA.

Truconfidence · « **Reply #872 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:42:12 pm »

Quote from: catocony on July 24, 2018, 02:55:43 pm

Rookie Monster Alert. Guy pencils in a kid to start next April who has never taken a swing above AA.

AA is where all the talent is AAA is just a bunch of mlb has beens.

imref · « **Reply #873 on:** July 24, 2018, 04:11:17 pm »

Quote from: catocony on July 24, 2018, 02:55:43 pm

Rookie Monster Alert. Guy pencils in a kid to start next April who has never taken a swing above AA.

Juan Soto 2.0.

So plug in Difo. Still competitive.

imref · « **Reply #874 on:** July 24, 2018, 04:11:32 pm »

https://www.mlb.com/news/trade-rumors-nats-bryce-harper-buy-or-sell/c-287112164

Rizzo seems to be thinking 'buy'