The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah

[zimm_da_kid]

Update coming soon

[Slateman]

 

[zimm_da_kid]

If the Ms or Tigers get bounced early we should target them on wood, Abrams, and/or gore trades. Lots of high end prospects there

[Slateman]

If the Ms or Tigers get bounced early we should target them on wood, Abrams, and/or gore trades. Lots of high end prospects there

What are they giving up? Youre selling all those guys at their lowest, particularly with a shortened season.

Wood - Cool, Riley Greene.
Abrams - Sub .800 OPS that plays the infield like a DH
Gore - 4+ ERA

Youre not getting quite the haul you think you are. The Tigers aren't giving up Kevin McGonigle. Emerson is a severe underpay, except for Abrams.

More valuable to keep

[Slateman]

But since its ZDK, what about trading Abrams to the Reds for Mclain, Lowder, and another prospect.

McLain moves to SS and we hope his bat comes back. If not, he is a plus defender at short. Lowder immediately slots in to the rotation and is an improvement from Irvin or Parker

[nobleisthyname]

But since its ZDK, what about trading Abrams to the Reds for Mclain, Lowder, and another prospect.

McLain moves to SS and we hope his bat comes back. If not, he is a plus defender at short. Lowder immediately slots in to the rotation and is an improvement from Irvin or Parker

Seems like a lot for Abrams but I haven't been following the Reds guys that much. My initial reaction is to take that deal and run.

[Slateman]

Seems like a lot for Abrams but I haven't been following the Reds guys that much. My initial reaction is to take that deal and run.

Mclain had shoulder surgery last season and posted a mid .600s OPS this year. He may or may not recover. The Reds taking Hayes makes me wonder if they need to prioritize offense at the other positions.

[zimm_da_kid]

Hit me with a lil

Abrams to the Ms for Ford, Sloan, Yorger Bautista or Nick Becker as a raw upside play, and one of Mcgraw/Beilenson/Cleveland as someone that can hopefully be AT LEAST a major league middle reliever.

For the Ms:
Abrams could slot in at 2B with Crawford at Short and Emerson taking over third. This would really solidify their infield and lineup. Polanco is a free agent and has been up and down. His peaks are better than Abrams, but Abrams is cheaper for the next three years and allows them to spend elsewhere. Their lineup would be lefty heavy, but their two best hitters (cal and julio) are switch and righty at least. It would also still leave them with their top 3 prospects in what would remain a deep system of both pitchers and hitters, close to the majors and far away. They would retain their top 2 hitting prospects and their top pitching prospect.

For the Nats:

Provides a major league ready catcher, a promising arm with upside of a 2 starter as well as an upside hitter play and a likely reliever.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Hit me with a lil

Abrams to the Ms for Ford, Sloan, Yorger Bautista or Nick Becker as a raw upside play, and one of Mcgraw/Beilenson/Cleveland as someone that can hopefully be AT LEAST a major league middle reliever.

For the Ms:
Abrams could slot in at 2B with Crawford at Short and Emerson taking over third. This would really solidify their infield and lineup. Polanco is a free agent and has been up and down. His peaks are better than Abrams, but Abrams is cheaper for the next three years and allows them to spend elsewhere. Their lineup would be lefty heavy, but their two best hitters (cal and julio) are switch and righty at least. It would also still leave them with their top 3 prospects in what would remain a deep system of both pitchers and hitters, close to the majors and far away. They would retain their top 2 hitting prospects and their top pitching prospect.

For the Nats:

Provides a major league ready catcher, a promising arm with upside of a 2 starter as well as an upside hitter play and a likely reliever.

Ryan Sloan is under 20, a 2024 2d round RHP who finished the year in A+. FG has him as their #9 prospect, 45+ FV. Power pitcher with a good splitter.
Yorger Bautista is an outfielder, an 18 year old Venezuelan signee in Rookie ball. #11 in their system according to FG. 45 FV. Speed is his best tool but, per FG, can do a bit of everything.  Raw.
Nick Becker is a 19 year old SS who played in Low A.

The Ford / Sloan combo is interesting. Sloan is far enough away that you are justified in asking for something more.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

What would be your ask from the Red Sox for both Gore and Abrams? They can take on about $39 million and stay below the 2d lux tax threshold. If you figure a chunk goes to a hitter (Bregman / Alonso / Schwarber), that means trading for an arb-eligible #2/#3 and another low cost hitting upgrade might be in the cards.

[Slateman]

Id be surprised if the Mariners were willing to give up Henry and Sloan. Also, are they sticking with Crawford at short? He didnt look great there and it might be time to slide him over to 2B

[imref]

What would be your ask from the Red Sox for both Gore and Abrams? They can take on about $39 million and stay below the 2d lux tax threshold. If you figure a chunk goes to a hitter (Bregman / Alonso / Schwarber), that means trading for an arb-eligible #2/#3 and another low cost hitting upgrade might be in the cards.

Franklin Arias & Connelly Early?

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Id be surprised if the Mariners were willing to give up Henry and Sloan. Also, are they sticking with Crawford at short? He didnt look great there and it might be time to slide him over to 2B

Crawford's defense I think would make Abrams less attractive to the Mariners. Can't afford to play both of them up the middle.

[zimm_da_kid]

What would be your ask from the Red Sox for both Gore and Abrams? They can take on about $39 million and stay below the 2d lux tax threshold. If you figure a chunk goes to a hitter (Bregman / Alonso / Schwarber), that means trading for an arb-eligible #2/#3 and another low cost hitting upgrade might be in the cards.

Arias, Witherspoon, 1 of early/tolle, Dorian Soto, plus 2 low level slightly better than pure lotto tickets

[Smithian]

Zdk, we need some Gore and Abrams forecasts

[zimm_da_kid]

Zdk, we need some Gore and Abrams forecasts

On it

[zimm_da_kid]

Abrams
—>
Quintero/Sirota, Freeland, Zazueta, Copen

Gore, Henry, Young
—>
Eldridge, Leval, Martinez, Harris, Marte

Freeland takes over at SS, Eldridge at 1B. Bring back bell for DH Quintero/Sirota take over in a few years when wood is moved to 1B/DH or crews is a bust. Leval, Willits, German are top infield options in 2-3 years. Them plus Freeland + house + wood/eldridge + the triple a glass man make for an encouraging infield mix.


Pitching wise between Cavalli, Herz, Sykora, Susana, Clemmey, Bennett, Martinez, Zazueta, Kent we got a decent up and coming pitching pic the next few years.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

ok, ZDK. There's a lot of talk about Ketel Marte to the Red Sox. The Sox have loaded up on starting pitchers to deal and have a nice system,  but I'm not sure the Early/Tolle/Harrison/etc... are good enough to be a lead dog on a team that may try to contend. Also, Marte opens up a line up hole.  So, have fun with suggesting a 3 way where Marte ends up on the Sox, Gore and Abrams on the D-backs, and numerous prospects who aren't immediate contributors end up on the Nats. Toss in a Casas or Campbell for 1st base.

[Slateman]

ok, ZDK. There's a lot of talk about Ketel Marte to the Red Sox. The Sox have loaded up on starting pitchers to deal and have a nice system,  but I'm not sure the Early/Tolle/Harrison/etc... are good enough to be a lead dog on a team that may try to contend. Also, Marte opens up a line up hole.  So, have fun with suggesting a 3 way where Marte ends up on the Sox, Gore and Abrams on the D-backs, and numerous prospects who aren't immediate contributors end up on the Nats. Toss in a Casas or Campbell for 1st base.

I think they have to leverage Abreu or Duran to another team to get the prospects for Marte

[Slateman]

Even zdk is slow this offseason.

I'll throw a couple out there because why the hell not.

First up is the first ever trade between the Washington Nationals and Baltimore Orioles.

Orioles get: MacKenzie Gore
With them signing Alonso and trading for Baz, the Orioles intend to contend in that division. But they still need some starting pitching. In addition to rather significant health concerns, the rotation lacks top of the rotation starters. Baz could be it, but, again, health. Same for Bradish, but more than likely he reverts to 3/4/5 level performance. Same can be said for Rogers. Gore playing for a competitive team in an organization that isn't as braindead about development as the 2025 Nats were should get him back to where he was the first half of last season. He is also the only starter they would have that has made 30 or more starts in the last two seasons.

Nationals receive: Coby Mayo, Esteban Mejia, Boston Batemen, and Wellington Aracena
Obviously, Mayo is blocked. Like super blocked. The Orioles signed Alonso to a big deal, signed Basallo to an extension, and have Taylor Ward, Dylan Beavers, and Tyler O'Neill to man the corner OF spot. With Bradfield getting to Triple A last year, Cowser would slide over to RF. And they still have Mountcastle to back up 1B/play a corner. Mayo's defense wasn't good enough to be a quality defender at 3B, so he is pretty much blocked. Nats get a real option at 1B with a lot of control and upside.

Mejia is a young 18 year old with terrific stuff and control issues. Bateman is a taller, better version of Clemmey. Aracena throws heat and has control issues with a lot of reliever risk. All of these guys are young enough to be part of the Sykora/Susana crop of pitchers.


Second trade is a three team deal between the Nationals, Marlins, and Red Sox

Red Sox get: Xavier Edwards
Red Sox aren't sold on Casas and were looking to move a poor fielding Campbell to 1B last season. Unless they sign Bregman (and I don't think they will), they will move Mayer to 3B and need a 2B. Xavier is a great fit.

Marlins get: Tristan Casas, Luis Garcia, and Jacob Young
The Fish have a knack for improving hitting and I think it pays off in spades for them here. Casas gets a guaranteed spot at 1B. Garcia replaces Edwards and likely improves in a contract year with access to quality hitting development, and Young allows the Marlins to slide Marsee to a corner and get a really good defensive outfield, which they need.

Nationals get: Anthony Eyanson, Harold Rivas, Ronny Henriquez, and Shane Drohane
Eyanson has some upside. Rivas is a lottery ticket. Henriquez is out with TJS, but when he comes back, he's future closer to pair with Beeter and Henry. And Drohane gives us LHP relief depth.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Even zdk is slow this offseason.

I'll throw a couple out there because why the hell not.

First up is the first ever trade between the Washington Nationals and Baltimore Orioles.

Orioles get: MacKenzie Gore
With them signing Alonso and trading for Baz, the Orioles intend to contend in that division. But they still need some starting pitching. In addition to rather significant health concerns, the rotation lacks top of the rotation starters. Baz could be it, but, again, health. Same for Bradish, but more than likely he reverts to 3/4/5 level performance. Same can be said for Rogers. Gore playing for a competitive team in an organization that isn't as braindead about development as the 2025 Nats were should get him back to where he was the first half of last season. He is also the only starter they would have that has made 30 or more starts in the last two seasons.

Nationals receive: Coby Mayo, Esteban Mejia, Boston Batemen, and Wellington Aracena
Obviously, Mayo is blocked. Like super blocked. The Orioles signed Alonso to a big deal, signed Basallo to an extension, and have Taylor Ward, Dylan Beavers, and Tyler O'Neill to man the corner OF spot. With Bradfield getting to Triple A last year, Cowser would slide over to RF. And they still have Mountcastle to back up 1B/play a corner. Mayo's defense wasn't good enough to be a quality defender at 3B, so he is pretty much blocked. Nats get a real option at 1B with a lot of control and upside.

Mejia is a young 18 year old with terrific stuff and control issues. Bateman is a taller, better version of Clemmey. Aracena throws heat and has control issues with a lot of reliever risk. All of these guys are young enough to be part of the Sykora/Susana crop of pitchers.


Second trade is a three team deal between the Nationals, Marlins, and Red Sox

Red Sox get: Xavier Edwards
Red Sox aren't sold on Casas and were looking to move a poor fielding Campbell to 1B last season. Unless they sign Bregman (and I don't think they will), they will move Mayer to 3B and need a 2B. Xavier is a great fit.

Marlins get: Tristan Casas, Luis Garcia, and Jacob Young
The Fish have a knack for improving hitting and I think it pays off in spades for them here. Casas gets a guaranteed spot at 1B. Garcia replaces Edwards and likely improves in a contract year with access to quality hitting development, and Young allows the Marlins to slide Marsee to a corner and get a really good defensive outfield, which they need.

Nationals get: Anthony Eyanson, Harold Rivas, Ronny Henriquez, and Shane Drohane
Eyanson has some upside. Rivas is a lottery ticket. Henriquez is out with TJS, but when he comes back, he's future closer to pair with Beeter and Henry. And Drohane gives us LHP relief depth.

From a Sox perspective, they are looking for a bit more power out of 2nd or 3rd. If they sign Bregman or deal Mayer for Paredes, then this makes more sense from their perspective. Rivas is a lottery ticket and far away, but at this point we are more stacked at MI than CF; I think the plate discipline in the DSL may be a sign he can develop as a hitter. Herniquez has performed well in the majors so if the brace works, he could pitch lower lev in 2027 until he is right. Things look like they clicked for Drohan last year in terms of command, which was his weakness.

My guess is this doesn't work for the Sox unless they get another corner bat somewhere.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I do think Mayo would be in any Gore deal and that the rest of a deal would be made up of lottery tickets.

[Slateman]

From a Sox perspective, they are looking for a bit more power out of 2nd or 3rd. If they sign Bregman or deal Mayer for Paredes, then this makes more sense from their perspective. Rivas is a lottery ticket and far away, but at this point we are more stacked at MI than CF; I think the plate discipline in the DSL may be a sign he can develop as a hitter. Herniquez has performed well in the majors so if the brace works, he could pitch lower lev in 2027 until he is right. Things look like they clicked for Drohan last year in terms of command, which was his weakness.

My guess is this doesn't work for the Sox unless they get another corner bat somewhere.

I think Mayer can duplicate what Bregman brings offensively.

They're also talking about moving Campbell to the OF, so I think they have to trade one of their OFers, which is why I think that if the Red Sox want Gore, then a 3 team trade is more likely. Personally, I'd love for them to just trade Early, Campbell, Eyanson (to make LSU Nats happy), and a lottery ticket (Rivas?) for Gore, but that still leaves them wanting an impact bat, and I don't know if the Sox will be comfortable dealing more prospects and one of their OFers for Ketel Marte. Of course, they could just sign Bregman or Bichette.

[imref]

I do think Mayo would be in any Gore deal and that the rest of a deal would be made up of lottery tickets.

if we're going to trade Gore, i'd be over the possibility of getting Mayo.

[Smithian]

Even zdk is slow this offseason.

I'll throw a couple out there because why the hell not.

First up is the first ever trade between the Washington Nationals and Baltimore Orioles.

Orioles get: MacKenzie Gore
With them signing Alonso and trading for Baz, the Orioles intend to contend in that division. But they still need some starting pitching. In addition to rather significant health concerns, the rotation lacks top of the rotation starters. Baz could be it, but, again, health. Same for Bradish, but more than likely he reverts to 3/4/5 level performance. Same can be said for Rogers. Gore playing for a competitive team in an organization that isn't as braindead about development as the 2025 Nats were should get him back to where he was the first half of last season. He is also the only starter they would have that has made 30 or more starts in the last two seasons.

Nationals receive: Coby Mayo, Esteban Mejia, Boston Batemen, and Wellington Aracena
Obviously, Mayo is blocked. Like super blocked. The Orioles signed Alonso to a big deal, signed Basallo to an extension, and have Taylor Ward, Dylan Beavers, and Tyler O'Neill to man the corner OF spot. With Bradfield getting to Triple A last year, Cowser would slide over to RF. And they still have Mountcastle to back up 1B/play a corner. Mayo's defense wasn't good enough to be a quality defender at 3B, so he is pretty much blocked. Nats get a real option at 1B with a lot of control and upside.

Mejia is a young 18 year old with terrific stuff and control issues. Bateman is a taller, better version of Clemmey. Aracena throws heat and has control issues with a lot of reliever risk. All of these guys are young enough to be part of the Sykora/Susana crop of pitchers.

I do think Mayo would be in any Gore deal and that the rest of a deal would be made up of lottery tickets.

Sign me up. I don't want to give up Gore for pennies on the dollars, but a Mayo package with some decent lottery tickets works for me.

I'm just torn on Gore. Maybe he comes back, with some decent fielding behind him and accountability above him, and tears up the first half leading to a bidding war from contenders trying to make a playoff push before the labor apocalypse. Or he has a sloppy first half and any trade conversation starts with teams asking how much of his salary the Nationals are picking up.

I'm pessimistic on Gore, so I think a trade may be the way to go if there is a decent package.