Author Topic: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision. (Read 160997 times)

tomterp · « **Reply #975 on:** August 13, 2015, 01:31:14 pm »

Quote from: PebbleBall on August 13, 2015, 09:58:45 am

Matt's not a good manager. I think the biggest problem is that if this was the powerhouse franchise they thought they had built, he'd be perfect because his faults (being slow to react, being an anti-tactician, looking forward to a fault) would be attributes because his minimal interference would help the ship glide home while his glumness would keep the players grounded. So again, the biggest problem is they aren't the team Rizzo thought they were, and they need a manager that can eke out a few wins through shrewdness.

His handling of pitchers makes me yearn for the Riggleman days.

madj55 · « **Reply #976 on:** August 13, 2015, 03:51:33 pm »

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"If you're living for tomorrow, you're going to lose today. Let's take care of today first." - Art Briles

whytev · « **Reply #977 on:** August 13, 2015, 05:17:15 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on August 13, 2015, 01:30:37 pm

He's given Michael Taylor something like 25 starts leading off. I'm pretty sure Michael's exceeded expectations this year already, but is never going to be an on-base guy like you need at the top of the lineup.

But he's black! And fast! And plays CF!

HattoriHanzo · « **Reply #978 on:** August 13, 2015, 06:30:34 pm »

After seeing the nats in person for the LA series, I really think that Lerner needs to clean house. The dodgers pitchers threw the same pitches in the same situations all game long and the nats batters failed to adjust. Either the team needs to be blown up or the coaching staff needs to blown up and it's much easier to blow up the staff. Even if by some miracle that they win the division, they won't go very long. This team cannot adjust to great pitching.

PC · « **Reply #979 on:** August 13, 2015, 06:43:22 pm »

Quote from: HattoriHanzo on August 13, 2015, 06:30:34 pm

After seeing the nats in person for the LA series, I really think that Lerner needs to clean house. The dodgers pitchers threw the same pitches in the same situations all game long and the nats batters failed to adjust. Either the team needs to be blown up or the coaching staff needs to blown up and it's much easier to blow up the staff. Even if by some miracle that they win the division, they won't go very long. This team cannot adjust to great pitching.

That's been the problem since this group has been together. They will not adjust, period. Part of the reason I assembled that sheet of Kershaw and Greinke gamelogs was to show that they're not perfect. Every team that's faced both of them has scored at least one run against them, except the Nationals. 4 games, 30 innings, zero runs scored. I asked, partially in jest, it's like licks on a Tootsie Pop, how many innings it would take for this collection of hitters to score a run against one of them.

pazzo83 · « **Reply #980 on:** August 13, 2015, 07:38:52 pm »

I was so hoping to see a tweet or notification this AM like:

"Sources: Williams out as manager of the Nationals. Developing"

aspenbubba · « **Reply #981 on:** August 13, 2015, 09:05:19 pm »

Since the GDT hasn't started I will make my first suggestion ever about batting order. Werth and Escobar should switch.

PC · « **Reply #982 on:** August 13, 2015, 09:18:12 pm »

Speaking of not adjusting, I'm watching the Cardinals-Pirates game right now and Liriano started for the Pirates. If you remember the most recent Liriano start against the Nationals, almost every pitch out of the strikezone, some well out and our hitters kept swinging, swinging, swinging...

That pitcher looks nothing like the pitcher tonight against the Cardinals. The Cardinals don't swing at his junk so they force him to throw strikes. And he can actually throw strikes, shockingly. They also get hit.

welch · « **Reply #983 on:** August 13, 2015, 09:20:05 pm »

Denard Span. The team wins with Span; it loses without him. Casey Srengel: you can look it up (in the won / loss so this year).

HattoriHanzo · « **Reply #984 on:** August 13, 2015, 09:28:36 pm »

Quote from: welch on August 13, 2015, 09:20:05 pm

Denard Span. The team wins with Span; it loses without him. Casey Srengel: you can look it up (in the won / loss so this year).

I don't see him getting extended unless he's willing to take a sweetheart hometown discount so the nats will have to figure out their leadoff problems for next season. TT will probably given every chance to bat first, but if he doesn't do well there then the nats better have a good second option.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #985 on:** August 13, 2015, 10:27:16 pm »

Turner's done it at every level. He'll do it at this one, too.

BH34Natural · « **Reply #986 on:** August 14, 2015, 12:09:37 am »

Man, we aren't even going to make the playoffs. It really just hit me, it's real.

pazzo83 · « **Reply #987 on:** August 14, 2015, 12:11:00 am »

Quote from: BH34Natural on August 14, 2015, 12:09:37 am

Man, we aren't even going to make the playoffs. It really just hit me, it's real.

It'll be better that way, we can enjoy them without having to fret about an inevitable first round exit.

Matugi · « **Reply #988 on:** August 14, 2015, 08:21:13 am »

Quote from: pazzo83 on August 14, 2015, 12:11:00 am

It'll be better that way, we can enjoy them without having to fret about an inevitable first round exit.

Plus we can enjoy Williams getting crapcanned

ZimW1N · « **Reply #989 on:** August 14, 2015, 08:46:11 am »

If Williams gets fired I still want Dave Martinez from Chicago, formerly Tampa Bay; he has been Joe Madden's right hand man for several years now and has learned from the best manger in the game.

madj55 · « **Reply #990 on:** August 14, 2015, 08:56:09 am »

Williams isn't getting fired unless Rizzo is too. Williams is Rizzo's guy for some inexplicable reason. Sucks.

dracnal · « **Reply #991 on:** August 14, 2015, 09:14:14 am »

Quote from: madj55 on August 14, 2015, 08:56:09 am

Williams isn't getting fired unless Rizzo is too. Williams is Rizzo's guy ~~for some inexplicable reason~~cause he worked for Arizona. Sucks.

Matugi · « **Reply #992 on:** August 14, 2015, 09:57:08 am »

Quote from: madj55 on August 14, 2015, 08:56:09 am

Williams isn't getting fired unless Rizzo is too. Williams is Rizzo's guy for some inexplicable reason. Sucks.

Yes he can. If the Lerners demand it, it will be done. That '16 option means nothing.

Ray D · « **Reply #993 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:07:59 am »

Quote from: HattoriHanzo on August 13, 2015, 09:28:36 pm

I don't see him getting extended unless he's willing to take a sweetheart hometown discount

You don't think he's worth a QO?

BrandonK · « **Reply #994 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:17:52 am »

What are the "big changes" Matty?

UMDNats · « **Reply #995 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:24:14 am »

Quote from: tomterp on August 13, 2015, 01:30:37 pm

He's given Michael Taylor something like 25 starts leading off. I'm pretty sure Michael's exceeded expectations this year already, but is never going to be an on-base guy like you need at the top of the lineup.

This is entirely because of his position, race, and perceived skillset. It's hilarious to me that Williams assumes Taylor will be a good leadoff man (or even a competent one!) when literally everything about his performance, history, and tools indicate he's a #6 hitter or so.

UMDNats · « **Reply #996 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:28:27 am »

As much as I think Williams needs to be canned, Rizzo did build this team, and the pieces he ignored have haunted him all year. He ignored the bullpen and the bench and rolled the dice that we'd be healthy enough and a couple arms would emerge as reliable in the 'pen. Neither of those things happened, and while he eventually addressed the bullpen (in the most predictable way possible), I've never seen a team with such a horrible bench do so little to try to improve it. Dan Uggla made it into August! How is that possible? He literally has made zero moves to try to add a bench piece. How is there no one better than Dan Uggla and Tyler Moore in baseball? That is just staggering to me. No creativity.

Rizzo also rolled the dice that Ramos would be an acceptable catcher (he has not been) and that the rotation would be so outstanding that we wouldn't need the bullpen or a lot of runs as much. Again, those things haven't happened.

This is the team Rizzo deserved after preaching to the entire baseball world that he was right, he had it all planned out, we'd compete forever in 2012. You bet on being a "generational" team rather than taking your shot, and 90% of the time you lose. Sweet!

BrandonK · « **Reply #997 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:29:36 am »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 14, 2015, 10:24:14 am

This is entirely because of his position, race, and perceived skillset.

You guys aren't serious about this, right? Second time now that this has come up with regards to Taylor...

dracnal · « **Reply #998 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:32:39 am »

Quote from: BrandonK on August 14, 2015, 10:29:36 am

You guys aren't serious about this, right? Second time now that this has come up with regards to Taylor...

I'll agree with two thirds of it. He's a center fielder with a lot of speed. That translates into 'potential leadoff guy' because you're not expecting power, but you are expecting base running and getting into position for guys further down. However, Taylor isn't a big OBP guy and that's pretty much the definition of the key leadoff man attribute.

UMDNats · « **Reply #999 on:** August 14, 2015, 10:34:32 am »

Quote from: BrandonK on August 14, 2015, 10:29:36 am

You guys aren't serious about this, right? Second time now that this has come up with regards to Taylor...

I think people think players should fit a skillset because of how they look. Not like I'm saying Williams is a racist, I'm saying I think he expected Taylor to be something he's not.