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Offline spidernat

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1375 on: January 01, 2011, 02:42:30 pm »
Quote from: RyanTheRiot on January 01, 2011, 01:45:59 pm
I think there's more to the Dunn situation than the fans know about.  His work ethic and dedication to improvement has been questioned in the past.


Quote from: RyanTheRiot on January 01, 2011, 02:05:06 pm
JP Ricciardi



Quote from: RyanTheRiot on January 01, 2011, 02:07:17 pm
Again:  I'm not saying Ricciardi is right about Dunn.  I think Dunn was great for the Nationals the last two years.


:lmao:
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Offline NatsDad14

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1376 on: January 01, 2011, 03:50:27 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 01, 2011, 02:42:30 pm



:lmao:
That sounds exactly like the LeBron James backtrack. I'm not saying that I believe a certain thought, but I'm just saying...
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1377 on: January 01, 2011, 04:02:34 pm »
Quote from: RyanTheRiot on January 01, 2011, 01:59:03 pm
We aren't going to compete next year, with or without Adam LaRoche.  His impact on the field will not be big enough to justify paying him $8 million.  He's an average player, not an important piece to the puzzle. 
The real question: will he be markedly better than we have now or who else we might get? I say yes.

Is he going to bring the Nats a WS championship? No. But will he help us win more games. Yes. It's about getting better no matter how incremental that is.
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1378 on: January 01, 2011, 04:02:56 pm »
Quote from: GMUNat on January 01, 2011, 03:50:27 pm
That sounds exactly like the LeBron James backtrack. I'm not saying that I believe a certain thought, but I'm just saying...

Or like the JP Ricciardi retraction.  :lol:
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1379 on: January 01, 2011, 04:08:33 pm »
Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 01, 2011, 10:30:00 am
What if TB offers him 5 million?  If I were him, I might take that.

Next year's 1B market will be stacked, though.  All the guys who took one year deals plus potentially Pujols and Fielder.

TB is not going to be as good. I know their rotation is good, but I just have a feeling.
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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1380 on: January 01, 2011, 04:09:41 pm »
I would have liked to have Dunn back.  I do wonder why teams don't seem to value him, though.  He's a great value at 1B.  His defense was good enough.  Not great, or even good, but passable given his offensive production.

As a DH, I'm not sure.  Vlad Guerrero and a handful of others could give what Dunn will give at DH at a fraction of what Dunn signed for.

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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1381 on: January 01, 2011, 04:12:47 pm »
Looking at LaRoche a bit more - he's hovered around 140 or so strikeouts a year for his career.  That's much better than last year's 170 and I think a lot more reasonable given the rest of his offensive strikeouts.  I can live with 170 plus strikeouts if he's giving us 35 homeruns and .500 SLG.  Not at 25 homeruns and .465 or whatever he was at last year.

Now just sign him already.
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Offline PC

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1382 on: January 01, 2011, 04:38:46 pm »
Quote from: RyanTheRiot on January 01, 2011, 01:47:35 pm
I'm pretty sure we don't want LaRoche that badly.  He's just in the right place at the right time, being essentially the only 1B option in free agency

Then who did they want and why didn't they sign him instead of putting themselves in this situation?
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Offline welch

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1383 on: January 01, 2011, 05:00:11 pm »
1. Sign LaRoche. Enough time!! Three years, two years...so what? I doubt Rizzo is trying to bargain LaRoche down, since the difference is trivial.

2. Repeat: Nick J as pinch-hitter and backup 1B, though I hope the Nats don't have to depend on him at 1B ever

3. Drop N Morgan. Truly: addition by subtraction. He might have skills, but he is a lousy baseball player. Doesn;t have the mind/psyche for it. (Throws glove???? Neglects to slide and score a run juts so he can shoulder a catcher???)

4. Get a starter, even Pavano (although I've seen him...or mostly didn't see him with the Yankees...and he is not Bob Gibson II)

5. I don't care whether the Nats spend $75 million or $60 million or $100 million in payroll. Just win 80 games in 2011 and 95 in 2012. The point of baseball is to win the games...not to under-spend or over-spend. (I hope Lerner/Rizzo agrees, but they puzzle me sometimes.)

6. Oh, and the lesson of Jack Kent Cooke still stands: if you win, you make a lot more money than if your team loses. (And you get to pump your ego when you receive a trophy.)
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Offline heeman82

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1384 on: January 01, 2011, 05:06:02 pm »
HUGE news for the Nats in 2011!

http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp
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Offline NatsDad14

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1385 on: January 01, 2011, 05:10:54 pm »
Quote from: heeman82 on January 01, 2011, 05:06:02 pm
HUGE news for the Nats in 2011!

http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp
Welcome to 2007! Hate to break it you but we are now in 2011.
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Offline EdStroud

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1386 on: January 01, 2011, 05:11:37 pm »
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Offline heeman82

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1387 on: January 01, 2011, 05:14:51 pm »
Quote from: GMUNat on January 01, 2011, 05:10:54 pm
Welcome to 2007! Hate to break it you but we are now in 2011.

You still got Rolled.  You should've known better
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Offline RyanTheRiot

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1388 on: January 01, 2011, 05:21:01 pm »
Quote from: welch on January 01, 2011, 05:00:11 pm
1. Sign LaRoche. Enough time!! Three years, two years...so what? I doubt Rizzo is trying to bargain LaRoche down, since the difference is trivial.

If this was true, we would have signed him a month ago.
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Offline Ray D

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1389 on: January 01, 2011, 05:22:21 pm »
Quote from: welch on January 01, 2011, 05:00:11 pm
the lesson of Jack Kent Cooke still stands: if you win, you make a lot more money than if your team loses.

I don't know.  Jack Kent Cooke cared whether his team won, and that had alot to do with their winning.  I don't think the principle that you make more money if you win has been proven.
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Offline RyanTheRiot

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1390 on: January 01, 2011, 05:23:47 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on January 01, 2011, 05:22:21 pm
I don't know.  Jack Kent Cooke cared whether his team won, and that had alot to do with their winning.  I don't think the principle that you make more money if you win has been proven.

Winning puts fans in the seats.  Fans = $$
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Offline PC

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1391 on: January 01, 2011, 05:25:18 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on January 01, 2011, 05:22:21 pm
I don't know.  Jack Kent Cooke cared whether his team won, and that had alot to do with their winning.  I don't think the principle that you make more money if you win has been proven.

How much would the Yankees and their "brand" be worth if they were always a last place team that threatened to lose a hundred games every year?
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Offline Ray D

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1392 on: January 01, 2011, 05:27:30 pm »
I do have an uneasy feeling about what Rizzo is doing.   Laroche wants a three year deal, Rizzo knows that no team will give him one and so he'll have to sign with us eventually for two.  But what may happen is that Laroche, who probably isn't excited about the idea of playing here, may decide to sign with some other (mystery) team that offers him a two year deal.  Rizzo should just give him the three year deal and be done with it.
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Offline Ray D

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1393 on: January 01, 2011, 05:29:31 pm »
Quote from: RyanTheRiot on January 01, 2011, 05:23:47 pm
Winning puts fans in the seats.
  Puts HOME fans in the seats.
Anyway fans in the seat is but one component of a very complex economic equation.
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Offline Ray D

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1394 on: January 01, 2011, 05:34:15 pm »
Quote from: PC on January 01, 2011, 05:25:18 pm
How much would the Yankees and their "brand" be worth if they were always a last place team that threatened to lose a hundred games every year?
Lerners certainly don't have an economic model similar to the Yankees and many people have speculated that losing can be more profitable than winning.
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Offline houston-nat

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1395 on: January 01, 2011, 05:36:22 pm »
Quote from: heeman82 on January 01, 2011, 05:14:51 pm
You still got Rolled.  You should've known better

I didn't. That video is blocked in the UK by copyright laws :D
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Offline houston-nat

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1396 on: January 01, 2011, 05:37:19 pm »
By the way, there is a prank video song that is WAAY more hilarious than the rickroll. It's called the Russian lol song.

The part from 1:25-1:35 makes me pound the table in anguished laughter. Then 1:55 comes and I can't breathe anymore.
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1397 on: January 01, 2011, 05:43:41 pm »
Quote from: houston-nat on January 01, 2011, 05:37:19 pm
By the way, there is a prank video song that is WAAY more hilarious than the rickroll. It's called the Russian lol song.

The part from 1:25-1:35 makes me pound the table in anguished laughter. Then 1:55 comes and I can't breathe anymore.



When I hear the lololol song, I touch my tralala.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1398 on: January 01, 2011, 05:47:01 pm »
Quote from: PANatsFan on January 01, 2011, 05:43:41 pm


When I hear the lololol song, I touch my tralala.

Lol lol loooooooool
Lol lol lol
Lol lol loool loooooool lol-lol
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Offline heeman82

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1399 on: January 01, 2011, 05:47:04 pm »
Quote from: PANatsFan on January 01, 2011, 05:43:41 pm


When I hear the lololol song, I touch my tralala.

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