10/11 offseason

[DPMOmaha]

I didn't see the Lee segment, but I did the Dunn part. 

[cmdterps44]

I know its all speculation but 2 of the teams that could be interested in Lee are Dodgers and Phillies.

HYPOTHETICAL (for Potomac): What if the Phillies got Lee?

[Lintyfresh85]

Then they'd be pretty stupid for trading him in the first place.

[Sharp]

They were pretty stupid to trade him in the first place, everyone pretty much agrees about that.  Phillies fans are sick of even talking about him at this point, it's kind of funny.

[blue911]

Anyone watch MLB Networks' "Front Burner" last night at 8 PM?  They discussed the Nats having contacted Lee (one of 7 teams) and how Lee would fit into the rotation this year and next.  They said this year, basically he would take pressure off of JZ and Lannan (they had the rotation as Lee ? JZ ? lannan / Marquis / Livo), called it respectable at least, then started drooling over 2012 - Lee / Stras / JZ / Lannan / Maya.  They also repeated the Pena to Washington if Dunn does not resign, and down played most of the Dunn to the NL saying teams do not want him to play first.  It was a writer from Houston, Heyman, and Verducci.

Richard Justice, used to cover the O's for the Post .

[NatsDad14]

I know its all speculation but 2 of the teams that could be interested in Lee are Dodgers and Phillies.

HYPOTHETICAL (for Potomac): What if the Phillies got Lee?

They won't sign him. They are right now pretty close to their payroll limit. If they do spend money, it will be on Werth.

[Potomac Cannons]

Here's a thought.  Oakland just won the rights to Iwakuma as a SP.  Added to Gonzalez, Cahill, Anderson, Braden and Mazzaro, that gives them a bit of a glut at SP.  If they're looking for offensive help, why not try to move Hammer for either Gonzalez or Anderson and then go after Crawford/Werth to cover the corner OF opening?

[Nathan]

Here's a thought.  Oakland just won the rights to Iwakuma as a SP.  Added to Gonzalez, Cahill, Anderson, Braden and Mazzaro, that gives them a bit of a glut at SP.  If they're looking for offensive help, why not try to move Hammer for either Gonzalez or Anderson and then go after Crawford/Werth to cover the corner OF opening?

No.  It makes sense.

[Potomac Cannons]

I know its all speculation but 2 of the teams that could be interested in Lee are Dodgers and Phillies.

HYPOTHETICAL (for Potomac): What if the Phillies got Lee?

It would be one of the most bizzare ways in which to "correct" a huge mistake.  If they do they close their window of contention even further as you've got to think that ties up 45m/yr in Howard and Lee way past their prime years.  A 2012 payroll for the Phillies starting with those two at those prices (actually 40m as Howard doesn't jump to 25m till 2014) pretty much kills them.  Looking at the contract mess they've got at Cot's makes me happy that they've got two years max before everything starts hitting the fan.

EDIT:  I don't see how the Phillies can do anything for next season.  They've already got these deals to pay:

Howard 20m
Halladay 20m
Oswalt 16m
Utley 15.286m
Ibanez 12.167m
Lidge 12m
Blanton 10.5m
Hamels 9.5m
Rollins 8.5m
Victorino 7.5m
Polanco 5.147m
Madson 4.833m
Baez 2.75m
Ruiz 2.75m
Schneider 1.625m
Gload 1.6m

That's 150.158m opening day without bringing back Werth and Moyer.  That's 12m more than this year with people already starting to leave.  Adding 20m+/yr would absolutely cripple their future.  I almost hope they do it.

[Potomac Cannons]

No.  It makes sense.

So did Capps for Ramos and Langerhans for Morse.

[PANatsFan]

I know its all speculation but 2 of the teams that could be interested in Lee are Dodgers and Phillies.

HYPOTHETICAL (for Potomac): What if the Phillies got Lee?

Lee despises the Phillies for the way they treated him.

[Nathan]

Moving Hammer for a SP is good, and so is getting Crawford/Werth, but I don't see that happening.

[cmdterps44]

It would be one of the most bizzare ways in which to "correct" a huge mistake.  If they do they close their window of contention even further as you've got to think that ties up 45m/yr in Howard and Lee way past their prime years.  A 2012 payroll for the Phillies starting with those two at those prices (actually 40m as Howard doesn't jump to 25m till 2014) pretty much kills them.  Looking at the contract mess they've got at Cot's makes me happy that they've got two years max before everything starts hitting the fan.

True. I was mainly just saying "hypothetical" beucase everything here is open for discussion, even pessimist posts!!

But yeah, it would be a huge mistake for their payroll but it'd still be a pretty dope pitching staff.

[Potomac Cannons]

True. I was mainly just saying "hypothetical" beucase everything here is open for discussion, even pessimist posts!!

But yeah, it would be a huge mistake for their payroll but it'd still be a pretty dope pitching staff.

I'm not sure that's pessimistic considering what it would do to their future.

[cmdterps44]

I'm not sure that's pessimistic considering what it would do to their future.

Oh, I could care about Philly. I was referring to the posts that talk about rumors... I've been trying to get that point across. I'm sure people are tired of seeing me say this, but it does get annoying to see people targeted for responding to a rumor. It's mainly good fun to discuss.

[Potomac Cannons]

Oh, I could care about Philly. I was referring to the posts that talk about rumors... I've been trying to get that point across. I'm sure people are tired of seeing me say this, but it does get annoying to see people targeted for responding to a rumor. It's mainly good fun to discuss.

Then treat it as a rumor.  The asshats who nag and moan as if every freaking rumor is absolute truth should be freaking shot.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

It would be one of the most bizzare ways in which to "correct" a huge mistake.  If they do they close their window of contention even further as you've got to think that ties up 45m/yr in Howard and Lee way past their prime years.  A 2012 payroll for the Phillies starting with those two at those prices (actually 40m as Howard doesn't jump to 25m till 2014) pretty much kills them.  Looking at the contract mess they've got at Cot's makes me happy that they've got two years max before everything starts hitting the fan.

EDIT:  I don't see how the Phillies can do anything for next season.  They've already got these deals to pay:

Howard 20m
Halladay 20m
Oswalt 16m
Utley 15.286m
Ibanez 12.167m
Lidge 12m
Blanton 10.5m
Hamels 9.5m
Rollins 8.5m
Victorino 7.5m
Polanco 5.147m
Madson 4.833m
Baez 2.75m
Ruiz 2.75m
Schneider 1.625m
Gload 1.6m

That's 150.158m opening day without bringing back Werth and Moyer.  That's 12m more than this year with people already starting to leave.  Adding 20m+/yr would absolutely cripple their future.  I almost hope they do it.

PotCan - what they were saying last night on MLB Network is it is possible because the Phillies have a lot of money coming off the books next year (Polanco, Ibanez of th etopof my head, maybe Lidge?).  Basically, it'd be one year running a Red Sox budget and then back to Earth.

[Potomac Cannons]

PotCan - what they were saying last night on MLB Network is it is possible because the Phillies have a lot of money coming off the books next year (Polanco, Ibanez of th etopof my head, maybe Lidge?).  Basically, it'd be one year running a Red Sox budget and then back to Earth.

Maybe, but Rollins also comes up at the end of 2011 (Polanco is after 2012).  If they added Lee at 20m/yr the 2012 payroll would be up in the mid 90m range with just Lee, Howard, Halladay, Utley, Polanco, Victorino, Madsen, Blanton and Ruiz.  Add in 3.5m in buyouts for Oswalt and Lidge.  Then you're getting to arbitration (Hamels has one arb year after his deal) on Happ, Kendricks, Francisco etc. and still would need to find viable replacements for what they've lost.  Considering how they butchered their farm system in the Lee and Halladay trades, I just can't see it working out well beyond the first year or two.

[cmdterps44]

Why do the Yankees have to be such freaktards. Yeah, keep attempting to steal everyone off the free agent market you douchebags.

[imref]

Rizzo is on MLB radio now

 - says the trade market is slower then he expected,

- he confirmed interest in Lee though "we aren't putting all our eggs in one basket",

- confirms they've started discussions with Lee's agent

- "We're focused on pitching, defense, and athleticism" but still talking with Adam Dunn, "We love Adam Dunn...He's a guy that we continue to have communications with.

- on Carlos Pena "one of a handful of guys gives us what we're looking for."

[cmdterps44]

Put all your eggs into a basket and get us a freaking winner!!!

[Lintyfresh85]

FINALLY. Proof that Rizzo is interested in Carlos Pena.

Potomac Cannons can no longer deny it.

[hammondsnats]

FINALLY. Proof that Rizzo is interested in Carlos Pena.

Potomac Cannons can no longer deny it.

no but he will continue to insult people left and right.

also rizzo acknowledged that cliff lee the chances of lee coming to DC are small.

oh great ... bargain bin pickups here we come!!!

61-101 record!!!

[tomterp]

FINALLY. Proof that Rizzo is interested in Carlos Pena.

Potomac Cannons can no longer deny it.

He's not going to say he's not interested in player x at this point, because showing interest, even if it's BS, helps remind potential signees that there is competition for the position.  You could have probably named just about any free agent 1st baseman and he'd have said about the same thing.

[Lintyfresh85]

Yes, but Potomac has been adamant that Rizzo has no interest in Pena, because he's never said anything.

Now, there's proof.