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Offline wpa2629

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Keith Law on Dunn
« on: February 12, 2009, 10:40:27 am »
I'm convinced Bowden banged Law's wife ...

Keith Law with some analysis:

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Signing Adam Dunn makes the Nationals somewhat less awful for 2009 and 2010, but given their inability the last three years to convert veteran players on expiring contracts -- Alfonso Soriano, Dmitri Young, Ronnie Belliard, or even younger time bomb Chad Cordero -- into long-term assets, this doesn't push the franchise forward at all. It's possible the move will end up costing them more than money if either Lastings Milledge or Elijah Dukes loses playing time.

Dunn becomes the team's best offensive player and makes them at least three wins better with his bat. If he plays first base, the most obvious spot for him, his defense shouldn't cost the team much, if anything, but in an outfield corner he's conservatively "worth" at least one win below average -- that is, he costs them a win with his glove. He gives them a hitter who works the count very well, enough to drive a certain Cincinnati broadcaster out of his mind, and a power threat they simply didn't have before signing him. The Nationals' core offensive players -- Dukes, Milledge, Ryan Zimmerman, Cristian Guzman, Emilio Bonifacio -- don't draw walks or hit for much power, and other than Guzman didn't hit for much average in 2008, either. So any addition to the team's offense is a welcome one.
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The immediate problem with Dunn is playing time. He has to play every day, clearly; if he plays first, Nick Johnson (who's never healthy anyway) becomes superfluous and Ron Belliard (assuming Bonifacio is the everyday second baseman) becomes a mediocre utility player, since he can only play second or first but not short. These aren't serious obstacles, although it does highlight how foolish the Belliard contract extension was. If Dunn is asked to play the outfield, where the Nationals already have a serious surplus, there's a significant risk that either Dukes or Milledge, who both need playing time for developmental reasons, will be relegated to part-time or bench duty. Dunn, Dukes, and Milledge in the outfield puts the expensive and utterly useless Austin Kearns -- who has forgotten how to do anything good with a bat in his hands -- on the bench; I can't imagine they'd waive or demote him given his friendship with Dunn, now the highest-paid member of the team.
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Developmental concerns aside, the big question for the Nationals is this: Why? Dunn won't be around long enough to be part of the first winning Nationals team. Even if Dunn has one of his best years, the Nationals are still the favorite to finish last in the NL East and unlikely to finish above fourth. As mentioned above, they have done a terrible job of using the trade market to restock their farm system -- a route that Oakland, Texas, and Cleveland have recently used to vault their systems into the top five in the game -- and the tepid market for Dunn this winter doesn't bode well for his trade value. Dunn didn't net a draft pick for Arizona, so there's no reason to assume the Nats will get a pick or two for him after 2010.

Dunn's contract becomes $20 million for a few meaningless wins over the next two years. Moves like that don't usually push a franchise backward, but they don't push it forward, either.

Offline R-Zim#11

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 10:41:48 am »
Wow...this is just plain garbage. I used to like Law...not so much anymore!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3901880&name=law_keith

Nats only slightly better with Dunn

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Signing Adam Dunn makes the Nationals somewhat less awful for 2009 and 2010, but given their inability the last three years to convert veteran players on expiring contracts -- Alfonso Soriano, Dmitri Young, Ronnie Belliard, or even younger time bomb Chad Cordero -- into long-term assets, this doesn't push the franchise forward at all. It's possible the move will end up costing them more than money if either Lastings Milledge or Elijah Dukes loses playing time.

Dunn becomes the team's best offensive player and makes them at least three wins better with his bat. If he plays first base, the most obvious spot for him, his defense shouldn't cost the team much, if anything, but in an outfield corner he's conservatively "worth" at least one win below average -- that is, he costs them a win with his glove. He gives them a hitter who works the count very well, enough to drive a certain Cincinnati broadcaster out of his mind, and a power threat they simply didn't have before signing him. The Nationals' core offensive players -- Dukes, Milledge, Ryan Zimmerman, Cristian Guzman, Emilio Bonifacio -- don't draw walks or hit for much power, and other than Guzman didn't hit for much average in 2008, either. So any addition to the team's offense is a welcome one.

The immediate problem with Dunn is playing time. He has to play every day, clearly; if he plays first, Nick Johnson (who's never healthy anyway) becomes superfluous and Ron Belliard (assuming Bonifacio is the everyday second baseman) becomes a mediocre utility player, since he can only play second or first but not short. These aren't serious obstacles, although it does highlight how foolish the Belliard contract extension was. If Dunn is asked to play the outfield, where the Nationals already have a serious surplus, there's a significant risk that either Dukes or Milledge, who both need playing time for developmental reasons, will be relegated to part-time or bench duty. Dunn, Dukes, and Milledge in the outfield puts the expensive and utterly useless Austin Kearns -- who has forgotten how to do anything good with a bat in his hands -- on the bench; I can't imagine they'd waive or demote him given his friendship with Dunn, now the highest-paid member of the team.

Developmental concerns aside, the big question for the Nationals is this: Why? Dunn won't be around long enough to be part of the first winning Nationals team. Even if Dunn has one of his best years, the Nationals are still the favorite to finish last in the NL East and unlikely to finish above fourth. As mentioned above, they have done a terrible job of using the trade market to restock their farm system -- a route that Oakland, Texas, and Cleveland have recently used to vault their systems into the top five in the game -- and the tepid market for Dunn this winter doesn't bode well for his trade value. Dunn didn't net a draft pick for Arizona, so there's no reason to assume the Nats will get a pick or two for him after 2010.

Dunn's contract becomes $20 million for a few meaningless wins over the next two years. Moves like that don't usually push a franchise backward, but they don't push it forward, either.

Offline NFA Brian

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 10:48:13 am »
I will wager $1 million that Emilio Bonifacio is not the Nationals starting 2B in 2009

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 10:52:41 am »
I will wager $1 million that Emilio Bonifacio is not the Nationals starting 2B in 2009

That was hilarious, but he's getting just hammered by the comments on the faux pas, too.


Offline GMUTrkstar

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 10:57:13 am »
lmao I stopped reading after he said Emilio Bonafacio is one of our core offensive players....

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 11:00:14 am »
Keith Law is an idiot and so is espn except for a select few.

Emilio Bonfacio, honestly? Your spouting out garbage with wrong facts AND it gets published... They just need a team to crap on and this article shows that.

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 11:01:19 am »
I'd like to unleash a string of profanities at this moron, but I have to be a role model or something.

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 11:17:30 am »
So much valid debate to have about Dukes, and Keith Law decides to say he doesn't walk much or hit for power.  He played in 81 games last year and led the team in walks.  It would take like 15 seconds to look up Dukes's BB/PA and see that it's, uh, good.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 11:22:29 am »
law has hated the club since his days in toronto.  not a lot of people like him either.  i agree about his kearns stand, but i don't understand the hate for ronnie baseball?  and dunn fills a need for us.

Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 11:40:33 am »
Keith Law continues to try and push Buster Olney off the "King of Nimrod Sportswriters" throne. I think he is making headway.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 11:46:08 am »
the big question for the Nationals is this: Why? Dunn won't be around long enough to be part of the first winning Nationals team. Even if Dunn has one of his best years, the Nationals are still the favorite to finish last in the NL East and unlikely to finish above fourth.

Stupid Bowden, doesn't he know we might win a few more division games and cost the Mets/Phils a WC spot. We're apparently supposed to be the best doormats we can until ESPN deems it ok for us to try to win a game.

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 11:49:06 am »
I stopped reading at "Keith Law".

Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 11:52:12 am »
I see what you did there ^^

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 12:13:34 pm »
I will wager $1 million that Emilio Bonifacio is not the Nationals starting 2B in 2009

I wager 1 million quatloos that ESPN won't notice.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 12:38:26 pm »
:rofl: I took this stuff with a grain of salt, but I'm really starting to think that Law really does have something against the Nationals.  This stuff is purely false garbage!  Ryan Zimmerman doesn't hit for average and power and Dukes has no power/ability to take walks.  Yeah, alright then, Keith. :roll:

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 12:55:27 pm »
lmao I stopped reading after he said Emilio Bonafacio is one of our core offensive players....
Me too.

what a freaking idiot. He should be burned at the stake. Bonifacio doesn't even play for the Nats you misinformed stupid nag!

Offline R-Zim#11

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 01:03:49 pm »
More from that arrogant little prick:

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Whiny Nats fans crack me up. The team stinks, the farm system is atrocious, but somehow, calling Bowden out on his history of bad moves (to say nothing of his involvement in the Latin American embezzlement investigation) makes me biased. Classic redirection. His ratio of good moves (Milledge, Dukes, Olsen/Willingham, acquiring Soriano) to bad (a short list: Guzman/Castilla, Crow, Belliard, Young, Guzman's extension, Johnson's extension, failing to trade Soriano) is awful, and within the industry, he is universally seen as the worst GM. ... tlynch: No "e" on Crow (Trevor Crowe, Aaron Crow), and I think you're putting too much faith in Bowden's version of events, the one where he pretended the $3.5 million offer was legal.

He has a chat going on right now -- I say anyone who reads this roasts him, grills him, call him on every thing he says!

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 01:05:03 pm »
lmao I stopped reading after he said Emilio Bonafacio is one of our core offensive players....

Yeah, that ended it for me. I'd like to go back and see what Law wrote when Adam Dunn was paid $13.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 01:05:28 pm »
How can Olsen/Willingham be a good move when we still have Bonifacio on our team?

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 01:06:19 pm »
Guzman's extension!?  We don't even know how his extension will go yet!  He hasn't even played a freaking day of it!  What a moron.

Failing to trade Soriano netted us Zimmermann and (Burgess or Smoker? I forget).

Law sucks.

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 01:10:14 pm »
More from that arrogant little prick:

He has a chat going on right now -- I say anyone who reads this roasts him, grills him, call him on every thing he says!
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Whiny Nats fans crack me up. The team stinks, the farm system is atrocious, but somehow, calling Bowden out on his history of bad moves (to say nothing of his involvement in the Latin American embezzlement investigation) makes me biased. Classic redirection. His ratio of good moves (Milledge, Dukes, Olsen/Willingham, acquiring Soriano) to bad (a short list: Guzman/Castilla, Crow, Belliard, Young, Guzman's extension, Johnson's extension, failing to trade Soriano) is awful, and within the industry, he is universally seen as the worst GM. ... tlynch: No "e" on Crow (Trevor Crowe, Aaron Crow), and I think you're putting too much faith in Bowden's version of events, the one where he pretended the $3.5 million offer was legal.

What is he the freaking grammar police? Some guy puts and "e" on "Crow" and he calls him out on it, but he's got to be told by "Whiny Nats fans" that one of our supposed core players got traded months ago for a deal he congradulates us for now. What a tool.

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 01:10:22 pm »
Failing to trade Soriano netted us Zimmermann and (Burgess or Smoker? I forget).


But you're failing to remember all the great things Soriano has done for the Cubs........like all of the championships they've won......the gold glove calibre defense........the selfless way he moved down in the lineup to produce more runs for them.......

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 01:14:29 pm »
More from that arrogant little prick:

He has a chat going on right now -- I say anyone who reads this roasts him, grills him, call him on every thing he says!
unbelievable. What a complete jackass. Bowden is a fine GM. I don't care what anyone says.

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Guzman/Castilla, Crow, Belliard, Young, Guzman's extension, Johnson's extension, failing to trade Soriano
Guzman's contract was fine. Who in the hell were we supposed to play at SS if we didn't re-sign him??! He hit .316 last year. How many SSs hit  for that high of a BA.

Vinny Castilla? Is he serious? He was only here in '05 and wasn't horrible.

Giving Young a contract was foolish but I blame that fat, drunk, diabetic nag Young more than Bowden.

Nothing wrong with NJ's extension. Again, NJ gets hurt every single year. How is that the GM's fault?

:rofl: Not trading Soriano? We got Jordan Zimmermann, the best prospect in our system, and Josh Smoker for him via the draft.

People are so freaking stupid that believe Bowden has been a bad GM here. It's just far from the case. I'd go on to list all of the great acquisitions/moves he has made here but I've already done it before on here and I'm not going to waste my time and do it again.

Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2009, 01:15:50 pm »
Ugh, I actually went over to ESPN.com and looked at some of the comments. It's incredible how many idiots that site attracts. Keith Law is popping up in the comments from time to time to defend himself and call Nats fans "whiny."

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Whiny Nats fans crack me up. The team stinks, the farm system is atrocious, but somehow, calling Bowden out on his history of bad moves (to say nothing of his involvement in the Latin American embezzlement investigation) makes me biased. Classic redirection. His ratio of good moves (Milledge, Dukes, Olsen/Willingham, acquiring Soriano) to bad (a short list: Guzman/Castilla, Crow, Belliard, Young, Guzman's extension, Johnson's extension, failing to trade Soriano) is awful, and within the industry, he is universally seen as the worst GM. ...

EDIT: Oops, a little late. ;)

Offline R-Zim#11

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Re: Keith Law on Dunn
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2009, 01:20:59 pm »
Ugh, I actually went over to ESPN.com and looked at some of the comments. It's incredible how many idiots that site attracts. Keith Law is popping up in the comments from time to time to defend himself and call Nats fans "whiny."

EDIT: Oops, a little late. ;)

I am bomarding him with:

"Who could the Nats have received in a trade for Soriano that is better then Zimmermann and Smoker? Dukes doesn't walk? Did you do any research today? He had 50BB in 81 Games. You're article today was garbage! Take some accountability!"

We'll see if he actually answers