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The Clubhouse / Re: Windmill them in: The Fire Bob Sendley Thread
« Last post by Smithian on Today at 03:27:04 PM »
Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on Today at 02:44:02 PM
It's interesting you list those guys because there was one third base coach from the down years who was especially, noticeably bad. 

Remember Tim Tolman?  He was Manny Acta's boy so he survived a lot longer than he had any right to, although he didn't survive half as long as Sendley.  Tolman used to send runners in the dumbest situations.  There would be an outfielder with a rocket for an arm, and the ball would be hit almost right at them, and he'd send some slow, plodding runner home to try to beat the throw.

Sendley is like a vaguely less incompetent version of Tolman.
Definitely forgot about Tolman.

Henley has just had so many big moments where he sent someone too aggressively and it turned out poorly. But darn if they didn't fire Chip Hale and move Henley right back over there. If Martinez didn't think he did a good job they could have put Knorr over there.
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by Slateman on Today at 03:06:52 PM »
Quote from: Greg_SRT on Today at 02:42:23 PM
Why would you sell when you are fighting for a playoff spot  :stir:

I don’t think you move anyone that isn’t in need of a new contract personally. But a Corbin has too many years/$$$ belief? Plenty of Pitchers recently have been involved in a mid season trade that had multiple years and tens of millions owed.

If you are the Nats and selling by July 30th, you sell everything you can that has a contract ending after the season. And you move Corbin.
Corbin has negative value at this point. You'd probably have to eat a lot of contract and/or include prospects to move him.
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by Slateman on Today at 03:04:55 PM »
Quote from: Smithian on Today at 02:31:50 PM
If this season goes to hell and the Nationals have to sell, what do we have that makes sense other than Turner?

I'd like to keep Josh Bell. Soto is still under control for too long to think about moving him. Strasburg and Corbin are too pricy. Before you say Schwarber and Hand, if those two play well enough to get a package then it means the Nats are going to have a record where you don't want to sell.

You can obviously toss out players like Castro and Gomes for low A fliers. But I think Turner is only guy you could move and hope to get a fringe Top 100 prospect. He has high value, but not in a contract year on the eve of the labor apocalypse.

Scherzer might get a decent prospect to a team making a run for it.

I see no way this team sells a the deadline and puts in a dent in the massive talent deficit we have in our Farm System. And, due to that deficit, if we want to make a run for it the only way we add is taking on salary and I'm unsure our ownership will want to do that right now.

Not a great situation.
Schwarber and Hand, if healthy, are tradeable at the deadline. Both of them could have great years and if Strasburg misses 10 starts,  the Nats are still a sub .500 team. Hell, a good closer is the least indicative thing of a playoff team.

Scherzer if he wants to be traded.

Making those deals are how you revitalize a farm system. There may not be big names, but guys you find and develop for a coupme years, and then get something out of is what youre hoping for.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Windmill them in: The Fire Bob Sendley Thread
« Last post by KnorrForYourMoney on Today at 02:44:02 PM »
Quote from: Smithian on Today at 12:13:38 PM
I spent my early years watching the Nationals never thinking twice about Pat Listach, Bo Porter, and Trent Jewett. Occasional strange send call, but I never once wondered if they were "good" or "bad". More often than not, their decisions made sense.

It's interesting you list those guys because there was one third base coach from the down years who was especially, noticeably bad. 

Remember Tim Tolman?  He was Manny Acta's boy so he survived a lot longer than he had any right to, although he didn't survive half as long as Sendley.  Tolman used to send runners in the dumbest situations.  There would be an outfielder with a rocket for an arm, and the ball would be hit almost right at them, and he'd send some slow, plodding runner home to try to beat the throw.

Sendley is like a vaguely less incompetent version of Tolman.
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by Greg_SRT on Today at 02:42:23 PM »
Why would you sell when you are fighting for a playoff spot  :stir:

I don’t think you move anyone that isn’t in need of a new contract personally. But a Corbin has too many years/$$$ belief? Plenty of Pitchers recently have been involved in a mid season trade that had multiple years and tens of millions owed.

If you are the Nats and selling by July 30th, you sell everything you can that has a contract ending after the season. And you move Corbin.
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by Smithian on Today at 02:31:50 PM »
If this season goes to hell and the Nationals have to sell, what do we have that makes sense other than Turner?

I'd like to keep Josh Bell. Soto is still under control for too long to think about moving him. Strasburg and Corbin are too pricy. Before you say Schwarber and Hand, if those two play well enough to get a package then it means the Nats are going to have a record where you don't want to sell.

You can obviously toss out players like Castro and Gomes for low A fliers. But I think Turner is only guy you could move and hope to get a fringe Top 100 prospect. He has high value, but not in a contract year on the eve of the labor apocalypse.

Scherzer might get a decent prospect to a team making a run for it.

I see no way this team sells a the deadline and puts in a dent in the massive talent deficit we have in our Farm System. And, due to that deficit, if we want to make a run for it the only way we add is taking on salary and I'm unsure our ownership will want to do that right now.

Not a great situation.
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The Red Loft / Re: NHL 2020-21 (Non Caps)
« Last post by Five Banners on Today at 02:27:06 PM »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on Today at 01:53:20 PM
what's a  neutral / bruins hater view of picking up Taylor Hall?  Looks like he's on the 2d line with Krejci and Craig Smith, bumping DeBrusk and Ritchie to the 3d line with Coyle.  They are desperate to start getting goals from beyond the Perfection Line.

If it doesn’t hamstring budget, which it evidently doesn’t, worth a flyer especially since they gave up none of the 2021 core in return.
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by Five Banners on Today at 02:25:03 PM »
Quote from: imref on Today at 01:50:30 PM
Soto and Trout aren't getting traded.

But Ohtani, Rendon, and Trout for Kieboom, Braymer, and Cavalli works in the trade checker
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by Slateman on Today at 02:16:53 PM »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on Today at 02:05:33 PM
I think he has 3 more years of arb as a super 2 this year.  Of course "cheap" is relative.  I would guess right now that that last year of arb will be comparable to Mookie's - $27MM or so. 
Cheaper than market value. Cheaper than Trout.
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The Clubhouse / Re: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah
« Last post by JCA-CrystalCity on Today at 02:08:23 PM »
Quote from: Slateman on Today at 01:58:17 PM
Id much rather build a trade package around Turner
Not a great match with the Padres with Tatis there, unless you are thinking of Turner to 2d. 
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