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The Out of Town Scoreboard / Re: The Orioles (2023)
« Last post by JCA-CrystalCity on Yesterday at 08:16:52 PM »
Certain legal issues are settled and the Os would be barred from raising them again, so it should be a simpler case. It doesn't mean all issues are decided for all the length of the relationship
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by Senatorswin on Yesterday at 07:58:00 PM »
No, thats not how that works. He's simply getting more chances because the pitching is giving up more contact.

That's not consistent though because some guys on teams with good pitching don't have a have a good range rating and some guys with bad pitching have bad range values. I think that statement is speculation.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by Slateman on Yesterday at 07:40:06 PM »
Well if all these stats are so great his range is graded on these stats and his range is rated very high.
No, thats not how that works. He's simply getting more chances because the pitching is giving up more contact.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by Slateman on Yesterday at 07:38:55 PM »
Not since 2022 (retroactive to 2016).

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-fangraphs-war-fielding-update/

That explains their negative defensive rating. They used the -9 OAA in the calculations.

UZR and UZR/150 was intended for much larger sample sizes
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by Senatorswin on Yesterday at 07:36:40 PM »
Hes not getting a lot of batted balls because of his range, he's getting then because Nats pitching is awful

Well if all these stats are so great his range is graded on these stats and his range is rated very high.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by Slateman on Yesterday at 07:35:25 PM »
Eh, they're as valid as the more traditional stats you quoted in my opinion. They just require a larger sample size and generally best not to be used in isolation.

Actually it's pretty rare for there to be this big a discrepancy between OAA and UZR/DRS. It will be interesting to see how they view him next season.
Whats more interesting is OAA is more based on measurable range and time to get to the ball. Abrams should have a great OAA .... except his arm keeps him from making the play once he gets there.
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The Out of Town Scoreboard / Re: The Orioles (2023)
« Last post by Senatorswin on Yesterday at 07:33:31 PM »
I would think Angelos will tie the award u litigation if he can.

I wouldn't put anything past an Angelos but originally wasn't it the old man who started all that mess. The main point of contention was the Orioles said the committee that decided it was biased and should be thrown out. I believe all that has been decided and the fact MASN finally gave in for the years 2011 to 2016 would indicate they've accepted the process now.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by nobleisthyname on Yesterday at 07:33:28 PM »
FGs uses UZR for their calculations

DRS gives credit for things outside of the fielder's control, like double plays, and range ratings. Also, his 4 DRS puts him in the back half of shortstops. And he is probably that high up because of all the double plays, which is directly linked to Nats pitching having a .346 OBP against
Not since 2022 (retroactive to 2016).

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-fangraphs-war-fielding-update/
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by nobleisthyname on Yesterday at 07:32:20 PM »

Which is why a lot of these stats are not valid in my opinion.  If you get to a lot of balls with range that counts for a lot in my book.

Eh, they're as valid as the more traditional stats you quoted in my opinion. They just require a larger sample size and generally best not to be used in isolation.

Actually it's pretty rare for there to be this big a discrepancy between OAA and UZR/DRS. It will be interesting to see how they view him next season.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Rule 5 Draft: 2023
« Last post by Slateman on Yesterday at 07:32:15 PM »

Which is why a lot of these stats are not valid in my opinion.  If you get to a lot of balls with range that counts for a lot in my book.
Hes not getting a lot of batted balls because of his range, he's getting then because Nats pitching is awful
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