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Offline Natsinpwc

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« Reply #100: July 30, 2021, 12:33:41 PM »
So with Gray dragging his knee the best comp is Tom Seaver!.  Or maybe only Jim Bunning.

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« Reply #101: July 30, 2021, 03:16:25 PM »
I'm keeping Ruiz at Catcher. He sounds like Posey honestly. Elite bat on ball skills, maybe some power will develop. Defensively his issues are his arm (not something that can probably be worked on) and his blocking ability (definitely something that can be worked on). His value is highest at catcher, and the Nats now have other players to stick over at 1B long term.
Yep, just like Posey! Except Posey was a top 10 prospect at that age, Ruiz a top 100.

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« Reply #102: July 30, 2021, 03:19:56 PM »
Yep, just like Posey! Except Posey was a top 10 prospect at that age, Ruiz a top 100.
he's top 20 on BA's list, I think.

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« Reply #103: July 30, 2021, 03:22:58 PM »
Is the Dodgers deal finalized yet?  Everyone seems to have stopped talking about it.

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« Reply #104: July 30, 2021, 03:23:37 PM »
The moves this week are the only path to re-signing Soto IMO. No long-term money tied up besides Corbin and Strasburg, you start at the Mike Trout deal and find his acceptance point.

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« Reply #105: July 30, 2021, 03:24:23 PM »
Yep, just like Posey! Except Posey was a top 10 prospect at that age, Ruiz a top 100.

Wow, you are really just fishing for reasons to hate this trade at this point. BA ranked Ruiz at number 16. And it's not JUST LIKE, but his overall scouting report shows he is a guy who has meh power, but elite bat on ball skills.

I just don't understand what people were expecting to see. The 2021 Nats weren't going to the postseason. They were not "a few injured players away". Trea Turner was going into his last year of arbitration. The top earners on the team are hurt or ineffective (Stras, Corbin). What magic was going to happen in the offseason that would have made 2022 a contending team? The Nats just realized the writing on the wall. If the Nats held on to Trea Turner for another year, his trade value diminishes and you end up with less of a return OR you get a compensation pick in the draft for him with a QO rejection. The players the Nats just got are better than either of those options.

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« Reply #106: July 30, 2021, 03:26:40 PM »
The moves this week are the only path to re-signing Soto IMO. No long-term money tied up besides Corbin and Strasburg, you start at the Mike Trout deal and find his acceptance point.

The loss of Trea would really hurt less if we got a Soto extension announcement soon.. Punt 2022 with the likely lockout, don't make any big signings and eat through another year of Stras/Corbin's contract. Start all the young guys and see who is part of the future, make a big splash or two to fill in the holes left by young guys who don't quite make it. Maybe bring Trea back in '23.....

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« Reply #107: July 30, 2021, 03:32:18 PM »
The loss of Trea would really hurt less if we got a Soto extension announcement soon.. Punt 2022 with the likely lockout, don't make any big signings and eat through another year of Stras/Corbin's contract. Start all the young guys and see who is part of the future, make a big splash or two to fill in the holes left by young guys who don't quite make it. Maybe bring Trea back in '23.....

Yea, pretty safe to say that if an extension talks have fallen apart, then Trea is pretty unlikely to return here.

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« Reply #108: July 30, 2021, 03:33:26 PM »
BA:

The Dodgers have a history of being active at the trade deadline under president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman. They acquired Rich Hill and Josh Reddick from the A’s in 2016, Yu Darvish from the Rangers in 2017 and Manny Machado from the Orioles in 2018.

But in each deal, the Dodgers held onto their best prospects. More often than not, they’ve been unwilling to part with the best their farm system has to offer during the season.

On Thursday, that changed in a big way.

The Dodgers reportedly acquired Max Scherzer and Trea Turner from the Nationals in exchange for Triple-A catcher Keibert Ruiz, righthander Josiah Gray, Double-A righthander Gerardo Carrillo and Double-A outfielder Donovan Casey in what would be the most significant deal of the trade deadline so far this year.

The deal is not yet official. The Washington Post's Jesse Dougherty was first to report the full trade return.

Ruiz ranked as the Dodgers No. 1 prospect in their midseason update and Gray ranked No. 4. Carrillo ranked No. 22 and Casey just missed the Top 30.

Scherzer gives the Dodgers yet another elite starter, and he couldn’t be arriving at a better time. Clayton Kershaw is on the injured list with forearm inflammation, Trevor Bauer is on administrative leave while being investigated for sexual assault, Dustin May is out for the season after having Tommy John surgery and David Price has yet to give the Dodgers much length after transitioning from the bullpen to the rotation earlier this month.

And that’s to say nothing of Turner, who is in the midst of the best full season of his career and gives the Dodgers an alternative at shortstop if Corey Seager, who has missed time with a broken hand but is expected to return this weekend, continues to deal with injuries. Turner also won’t be a free agent until after the 2022 season, while Seager is a free agent the end of this year.

For the Nationals, it marks the end of an era for two of the team’s greatest stars and cornerstones of their 2019 World Series championship team. It also adds a significant injection of talent into baseball’s worst farm system. Ruiz immediately becomes the Nationals No. 1 prospect and Gray becomes their No. 3 prospect.


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Keibert Ruiz, C
Age: 22

Ruiz is the third-best catching prospect in baseball and the No. 16 prospect overall. The switch-hitter has elite strike-zone discipline, almost never swings and misses and has excellent plate coverage. Even when he’s fooled, he has special hand-eye coordination that allows him to put almost any ball in play. He is a consensus plus hitter and should has all the skills to hit .300 in his best years. Ruiz previously struggled to tap into power, but he got stronger and improved his pitch selection this year to pick out better pitches to drive. He’s hit career-high 17 home runs in only 58 games this year, doing most of his damage in one of Triple-A West’s few pitcher-friendly parks in Oklahoma City. Ruiz’s lefthanded swing is much more impactful than his righthanded swing, but he is able to make contact from both sides. Ruiz’s defense has steadily improved to make him an all-around contributor. He is an above-average receiver, has a feel for timing on blocks and has improved his game-calling, which was previously a weak point. Ruiz’s arm strength is fringy to average and plays down due to occasional footwork and transfer issues. Opponents run on him freely and stole 27 bases in 33 attempts against him this year. Ruiz has the potential to be one of the best-hitting catchers in baseball. His defense still needs polish, but he has the skills to remain behind the plate and is nearly ready for an everyday job in the majors.

Josiah Gray, RHP
Age: 23

Gray is the No. 68 prospect in baseball and is ready to step into the Nationals rotation from day one. He is a strong, athletic righthander who was previously a shortstop and has a fresh, powerful arm. Gray’s fastball is a dominant pitch that ranges from 93-97 mph and plays up with late running life. Other pitchers throw harder, but Gray misses more bats because he commands his fastball and holds its velocity and life deep into outings. His sharp slider is an above-average, swing-and-miss pitch he commands well to give him a go-to secondary offering. Gray’s changeup remains a work in progress. He has worked to add tail and drop to it and it flashes average at its best, but too often he throws it too hard in the upper-80s and it stays straight over the plate, where batters unload on it. Gray has a noted competitive streak and rises to his best in big matchups. He attacks the strike zone aggressively with above-average control and stays composed in high-profile settings. Gray has all the ingredients to be a mid-rotation starter if he can improve his changeup just a tick more. Otherwise, the quality of his fastball and slider are good enough to get him through a lineup two times and make him a solid back of the rotation starter. Gray did miss the season’s first two months with shoulder inflammation, but he has otherwise stayed healthy and showed he was durable with 130.1 innings in his first full professional season in 2019.

Gerardo Carrillo, RHP
Age: 22

Carrillo was the Dodgers No. 22 prospect in their midseason rankings. He is an undersized rigthander with a huge arm but very little control. He went 3-2, 4.25 in 15 appearances (14 starts) with Double-A Tulsa this year. He had 70 strikeouts in 59.1 innings, but also 29 walks and 16 hit batters. Carrillo generates huge run and sink on his 94-97 mph fastball and can reach 99. His short, 89-91 mph slider is another swing-and-miss pitch that moves in the opposite direction and he’ll flash an average changeup. Carrillo generates his velocity with remarkable ease for his size, but often has no idea where the ball is going from one pitch to the next. He’s completed five innings only three times in 14 starts this year and has a habit of looking great for one inning and falling apart the next. Carrillo doesn’t have the control to start, but his power stuff should play even better in one-inning stints. If he shows he can throw strikes more consistently in one-inning bursts, he has a chance to be a high-leverage reliever.

Donovan Casey, OF
Age: 25

Casey did not rank on the Dodgers midseason Top 30 prospects, but he would have ranked in other, less-deep systems. Casey’s game is simple: he has big power, a big arm and swings and misses a ton. He has a 31% strikeout rate in Double-A this year, which is actually a slight improvement from his strikeout rate in 2019. Casey makes loud contact when he connects though. He has plenty of bat speed, has above-average power and is a good athlete with enough speed to be an effective basestealer. Casey’s best tool is his right arm. It’s a plus-plus cannon that is strong and accurate and allows him to make jaw-dropping throws to nail runners at third base and at the plate. He had 15 outfield assists in 2019 and only has three this year because opponents have stopped trying to run on him. His power, speed and defense give him a chance to rise as an extra outfielder and automatically make him a Top 30 prospect in the Nationals system.
1. The Dodgers no longer have an elite farm system. Mlb.com ranks them 14, Law 10, bleacherreport 11, etc.
2. I don’t know who ranks Ruiz so high. Baseball America has him at 58, others at 48 and 65. His arm is poor and already there is talk about putting him and first base, a much less important position.
3. High ranking in the Nats system is irrelevant as they are probably the worst in mlb.

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Re: Completed deadline deals - 2021
« Reply #109: July 30, 2021, 03:34:09 PM »
Is the Dodgers deal finalized yet?  Everyone seems to have stopped talking about it.

Dougherty just tweeted that it's done. The Scherzer era is over. :(

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« Reply #110: July 30, 2021, 03:35:26 PM »
The Gomes / Harrison haul:
C Drew Millas
RHP Seth Shuman
RHP Richard Guasch

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Solid haul for the Nationals: Millas is an excellent defender with a good approach at the plate, Shuman has been outstanding this season and Guasch has two potential above-average offerings

So we've picked up 3 catchers this week. Maybe the plan is move Ruiz to 1st?

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« Reply #111: July 30, 2021, 03:37:28 PM »
The Gomes / Harrison haul:
C Drew Millas
RHP Seth Shuman
RHP Richard Guasch

So we've picked up 3 catchers this week. Maybe the plan is move Ruiz to 1st?
Great! Already demoted.

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« Reply #112: July 30, 2021, 03:39:05 PM »
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The Scherzer/Turner to L.A. deal is now done, source confirms. Was agreed upon last night, but still had to be finalized.

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« Reply #113: July 30, 2021, 03:39:11 PM »
Unless Nationals are buying into my fantasy of moving Adams and Ruiz around, then this A’s trade doesn’t make a whole bunch of sense

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« Reply #114: July 30, 2021, 03:43:23 PM »
Unless Nationals are buying into my fantasy of moving Adams and Ruiz around, then this A’s trade doesn’t make a whole bunch of sense

I wouldn't really worry too much about positions on these young guys. Millas has a long way to go before he needs to be factored into the mix. Bring in as much talent as you can at any position

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« Reply #115: July 30, 2021, 03:43:39 PM »
Unless Nationals are buying into my fantasy of moving Adams and Ruiz around, then this A’s trade doesn’t make a whole bunch of sense
If we acquire all the catchers than we can inflate the market for them, duh.

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« Reply #116: July 30, 2021, 03:44:44 PM »
Unless Nationals are buying into my fantasy of moving Adams and Ruiz around, then this A’s trade doesn’t make a whole bunch of sense

We just need to get the best players possible, period. No need to pencil any of these guys in on a depth chart or anything, just let it all work out. We're going to make trades, guys get hurt, etc.

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« Reply #117: July 30, 2021, 03:45:50 PM »
We just need to get the best players possible, period. No need to pencil any of these guys in on a depth chart or anything, just let it all work out. We're going to make trades, guys get hurt, etc.

exactly

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« Reply #118: July 30, 2021, 03:49:34 PM »
I wouldn't really worry too much about positions on these young guys. Millas has a long way to go before he needs to be factored into the mix. Bring in as much talent as you can at any position
We just need to get the best players possible, period. No need to pencil any of these guys in on a depth chart or anything, just let it all work out. We're going to make trades, guys get hurt, etc.
We have three catchers who currently need major league at bats. Barrera, Ruiz, Adams.

Reetz, Read, Millas, and Pineda in minors.

I get some of those guys just won’t produce, there will be an injury, and other attrition will trim it, but I think they’ll struggle to get all those guys enough starts to really develop. Unless they see Adams and Ruiz getting ABs at other spots.

I’d have liked an infielder instead in one of those trades.

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« Reply #119: July 30, 2021, 03:53:24 PM »
Each of the four needs to play regularly. That would be one each for the Nats, Red Wings, and Senators, plus splitting time with Washington. Forget Read and Reetz, and leaving Pineda at Wilmington.

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« Reply #120: July 30, 2021, 03:54:09 PM »
Barrera will get his bats at Rochester. Read is as good as gone.

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« Reply #121: July 30, 2021, 03:58:13 PM »
Read and Reetz are not worth even thinking about. Ruiz may go right to AAA and we may go Barrera/Adams the rest of the way.

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« Reply #122: July 30, 2021, 04:02:14 PM »
Read and Reetz are not worth even thinking about. Ruiz may go right to AAA and we may go Barrera/Adams the rest of the way.

And the better of the two out of Barrera/adams gets to be keiberts back up next year

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« Reply #123: July 30, 2021, 04:04:40 PM »

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« Reply #124: July 30, 2021, 04:06:29 PM »
And the better of the two out of Barrera/adams gets to be keiberts back up next year

Right. The depth chart is pretty easy to see. Two of Barrera/Adams/Ruiz in MLB next year, the other in AAA with Reetz or whoever, Millas is in AA, Pineda in A ball, simple as can be.

While Barrera crushes the look test and has been excellent so far he may come back down to earth and be a turd considering his milb performance has been so-so. Too early to tell.