PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[Natsinpwc]

So then why did Weiters bat from the left side against Richards?  Davey and analytics are F'ing the season.

Habit.

[mitlen]

Habit.

Standard decision

[PowerBoater69]

Blamed the umps for the bad obstruction call, if you're complaining about the umps you're a loser, sets the tone for the team, it's not our fault.

[UMDNats]

Blamed the umps for the bad obstruction call, if you're complaining about the umps you're a loser, sets the tone for the team, it's not our fault.

first manager ever to be pissed off about the umps!

[UMDNats]

Blamed the umps for the bad obstruction call, if you're complaining about the umps you're a loser, sets the tone for the team, it's not our fault.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/reviewable-gaffe-umpire-results-aj-hinch-ejection-indians/story?id=41952645

LOSER - AJ Hinch

https://wgntv.com/2017/08/17/a-furious-joe-maddon-lets-loose-on-umpires-during-and-after-the-cubs-win-over-the-reds/

LOSER - Joe Maddon


WINNER - PB69

[Slateman]

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/reviewable-gaffe-umpire-results-aj-hinch-ejection-indians/story?id=41952645

LOSER - AJ Hinch

https://wgntv.com/2017/08/17/a-furious-joe-maddon-lets-loose-on-umpires-during-and-after-the-cubs-win-over-the-reds/

LOSER - Joe Maddon


WINNER - PB69

[PowerBoater69]

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/reviewable-gaffe-umpire-results-aj-hinch-ejection-indians/story?id=41952645

LOSER - AJ Hinch

https://wgntv.com/2017/08/17/a-furious-joe-maddon-lets-loose-on-umpires-during-and-after-the-cubs-win-over-the-reds/

LOSER - Joe Maddon


WINNER - PB69

Great examples, perfect examples, both of those guys got ejected. Martinez went back to the dugout and cried to the media after the game. That's why the ump didn't bother conferring with his crew, no respect for Martinez. The Cubs won the game you cited where Maddon got tossed, maybe the Nats would have been more inspired by a manager who didn't give up.

[Ray D]

Blamed the umps for the bad obstruction call, if you're complaining about the umps you're a loser, sets the tone for the team, it's not our fault.

If you blame the ump for a loss you're a loser.  Complaining about the umpiring itself doesn't make you a loser.  It was a bad call.

[UMDNats]

Great examples, perfect examples, both of those guys got ejected. Martinez went back to the dugout and cried to the media after the game. That's why the ump didn't bother conferring with his crew, no respect for Martinez.

In the link I provided Maddon went off after the game to the media. Try again.

“To influence a game like that is wrong. Listen, the guy is a good guy, I think he’s a good umpire, but I’m not going to concede consistently to these guys. You can’t make that mistake like that.”

[varoadking]

If you blame the ump for a loss you're a loser.  Complaining about the umpiring itself doesn't make you a loser.  It was a bad call.

The call followed the letter of the rules as I understood them...good call...

[PowerBoater69]

In the link I provided Maddon went off after the game to the media. Try again.

After he got ejected "he was thrown out in 15 seconds".

[Ray D]

Then in the 10th, I was yelling at the TV, don't bring in the 5th infielder with no outs. 

This is a strategy that has gained favor in recent years which I think it's sound and the right thing to do last night.  It's based on the assumption that in that situation there is a 95% or better chance that if the hitter is able to hit a ball to the outfield the run is going to score.  You could ever bring in a sixth infielder except it would overcrowd the infield.

[Ray D]

The call followed the letter of the rules as I understood them...good call...

What I saw was the catcher making a legitimate attempt to field the ball. In that case he has "right of way".  Did I see it wrong?

[PowerBoater69]

If you blame the ump for a loss you're a loser.  Complaining about the umpiring itself doesn't make you a loser.  It was a bad call.

Seemed like he was pinning the loss on the ump to me. Classic blame shift, worst thing a manager can do, the whole team learns that bad performance is acceptable if it's someone else's fault.

[PowerBoater69]

What I saw was the catcher making a legitimate attempt to field the ball. In that case he has "right of way".  Did I see it wrong?

I think that you have it correct, bad call. But if you score one run in ten innings all it takes is one blown call to lose the game.

[Ray D]

Seemed like he was pinning the loss on the ump to me. Classic blame shift, worst thing a manager can do, the whole team learns that bad performance is acceptable if it's someone else's fault.

What did he actually say?

[PowerBoater69]

What did he actually say?

From Zuckerman

“He said it was obstruction. And clearly the rule states that it’s not obstruction,” Martinez said. “If he deemed he was able to be safe, yeah we have an argument. But there was no way he was going to be safe. No way. The fact of the matter that he said he knew the rules and was clear about knowing the rules after I asked him to reconvene with Angel (Hernandez) and those guys, and he said no. Then you know what? He screwed up. Plain and simple.

“I’m not going to sit here and argue about it, but that’s not what the rule states. If anything, the defensive team has the right of way to go field the ball. He just went on Rojas’ finger-pointing that he obstructed him to run. I don’t even think he really was going to run. That was just a bad call, period.”

http://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2018/07/nats-left-frustrated-by-10-inning-loss-on-multiple-levels.html

[Greg_SRT]

Disagree. Dave made the right moves during the game.

Also yes the Ump got it wrong. Kieboom was trying to field the ball. It was a sacrifice bunt. Miami team expected to take the out and get the winning run to second with 1 out. The catcher has the right to try and field the ball.

Also Harper needs to shut it with the Realmuto should be on our team crap. I bet the Nationals would be more free to trade away Robles if they knew Harper was staying.

[welch]

Did Marytinez consider having MAT bunt with one out, 1B holding the runner, and the other IF's bunched on the left side?

[spidernat]

The call followed the letter of the rules as I understood them...good call...

I believe that at home plate the batter turned runner has the right of way so I also think it was the right call.

[Ray D]

I believe that at home plate the batter turned runner has the right of way so I also think it was the right call.

And I think he has the right of way only if he's outside the baseline (in foul territory). I don't think that was the case.

[varoadking]

And I think he has the right of way only if he's outside the baseline (in foul territory). I don't think that was the case.

Official Baseball Rule 2.00 defines obstruction as:

The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

[mitlen]

Official Baseball Rule 2.00 defines obstruction as:

The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

Can someone post the rule with a video of the play?

[trangert418]

Based on this rule I'd say it was the wrong call:

Rule 6.01(a)(10) to 6.01(a)(11)

Rule 6.01(a )(10) Comment: When a catcher and batter-runner
going to first base have contact when the catcher is fielding the
ball, there is generally no violation and nothing should be
called. “Obstruction” by a fielder attempting to field a ball
should be called only in very flagrant and violent cases
because the rules give him the right of way, but of course such
“right of way” is not a license to, for example, intentionally
trip a runner even though fielding the ball. If the catcher is
fielding the ball and any fielder, including the pitcher, obstructs
a runner going to first base, “obstruction” shall be called and
the base runner awarded first base.

[Ray D]

Official Baseball Rule 2.00 defines obstruction as:

The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

"Act of fielding the ball".  Seems to be the key phrase.