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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1675 on: July 23, 2018, 06:15:47 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on July 23, 2018, 06:04:52 pm
Our hitters haven't give him really any reason to stick with one lineup, to be fair.

Batting Zimm 4th does not make any sense to me.

Well... Adams apparently is batting over .400 against this pitcher. Seems like Dave freaked up. Small sample tho.
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Offline aBaltoNat

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1676 on: July 23, 2018, 06:27:18 pm »
Seriously, what the freak?
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1677 on: July 23, 2018, 06:37:43 pm »
- Why does dave change the batting order every game?

- Why is Zimmerman batting anywhere but 8th...if he must play?
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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1678 on: July 23, 2018, 06:40:19 pm »
Quote from: welch on July 23, 2018, 06:37:43 pm
- Why does dave change the batting order every game?

- Why is Zimmerman batting anywhere but 8th...if he must play?

Because the team needs Harper, Zimm and Murphy in the middle and scoring to win ?
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1679 on: July 23, 2018, 06:49:11 pm »
Quote from: Greg_SRT on July 23, 2018, 06:40:19 pm
Because the team needs Harper, Zimm and Murphy in the middle and scoring to win ?

Hmmm. Not persuasive.

- Harper played and hit well yesterday. That does not mean he has "turned it around", but, sure, it would be great if he played well this game.

- Murphy seems to be recovering his hitting, and he is among the best in baseball. Average fielder, but the lineup is a treat to see when he's hitting 7th.

- Zimmerman? With one 'n'? He had a rebound year, last year, but he was awful before going on the DL. Why should he hit 4th? And with his throwing, why should he play 1B?
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1680 on: July 23, 2018, 06:52:47 pm »
Quote from: welch on July 23, 2018, 06:49:11 pm

- Zimmerman? With one 'n'? ... Why should he hit 4th? And with his throwing, why should he play 1B?

He's being paid $14MM this year and $18MM next year...and the way this team seems to operate, he'll likely be paid $18MM in 2020 as well...

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1681 on: July 23, 2018, 06:57:34 pm »
Quote from: welch on July 23, 2018, 06:49:11 pm

- Zimmerman? With one 'n'? He had a rebound year, last year, but he was awful before going on the DL. Why should he hit 4th? And with his throwing, why should he play 1B?

Not arguing that batting him cleanup might not be a stretch, but as to “awful before going on the DL”, he was actually batting .268/OPS .760 in the 10 games leading up to his DL stint (.280/.860 in the 9 games before the DL trip). Not gonna win a batting title at .268 but that’s not “awful” either.  He also has a career .300 with OPS of 1.067 against Chacin so maybe a good matchup for him.
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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1682 on: July 23, 2018, 06:59:15 pm »
They have to get these 3 going if they are gonna make a run. Their team offensively is built with them at the center.
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1683 on: July 23, 2018, 07:11:45 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on July 23, 2018, 06:52:47 pm
He's being paid $14MM this year and $18MM next year...and the way this team seems to operate, he'll likely be paid $18MM in 2020 as well...




dear God no :doh:
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1684 on: July 23, 2018, 07:14:11 pm »
Quote from: Greg_SRT on July 23, 2018, 06:59:15 pm
They have to get these 3 going if they are gonna make a run. Their team offensively is built with them at the center.

Harper? Maybe. If Harper plays like yesterday, then he contributes. If he plays as he has all season, then he harms the team. Eaton is a better RF and MAT is among the best CF I've seen. He's like Bernie Williams with a strong arm.

Murphy? Sure. Murphy seems mostly to be hitting like Murphy.

Zimmerman? How many games, how many AB's before he begins to hit? And his throwing ripped Wilson Ramos's knee.
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1685 on: July 23, 2018, 07:27:42 pm »
Quote from: dcpatti on July 23, 2018, 06:57:34 pm
Not arguing that batting him cleanup might not be a stretch, but as to “awful before going on the DL”, he was actually batting .268/OPS .760 in the 10 games leading up to his DL stint (.280/.860 in the 9 games before the DL trip). Not gonna win a batting title at .268 but that’s not “awful” either.  He also has a career .300 with OPS of 1.067 against Chacin so maybe a good matchup for him.

A ten game sample size is really stretching it to back up this move.
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1686 on: July 23, 2018, 07:29:42 pm »
Federal Baseball has an article on something I noted a few weeks ago, that Martinez's aggressive base running team is leading the league for combined caught stealing, outs on base, and picked off. (Tampa has one more but they've also played an extra game.)

https://www.federalbaseball.com/2018/7/23/17602074/washington-nationals-baserunning-problem
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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1687 on: July 23, 2018, 07:31:49 pm »
Grant Paulsen's been talking about that since May.
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1688 on: July 23, 2018, 08:30:11 pm »
Quote from: Greg_SRT on July 23, 2018, 06:40:19 pm
Because the team needs Harper, Zimm and Murphy in the middle and scoring to win ?

I would argue this team would do just fine with Matt Adams
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1689 on: July 23, 2018, 09:06:10 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on July 23, 2018, 08:30:11 pm
I would argue this team would do just fine with Matt Adams

Or Mark Reynolds
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1690 on: July 23, 2018, 09:07:43 pm »
I don't care how bad the calls are, anyone who argues a ball/strike needs to get benched. Martinez continues to let the hitters excuse their performance by blaming the umps.
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1691 on: July 23, 2018, 09:27:40 pm »
Quote from: MorseTheHorse on July 23, 2018, 09:06:10 pm
Or Mark Reynolds

Eh, Reynolds is fools gold.
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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1692 on: July 23, 2018, 10:09:03 pm »
Quote from: PowerBoater69 on July 23, 2018, 07:29:42 pm
Federal Baseball has an article on something I noted a few weeks ago, that Martinez's aggressive base running team is leading the league for combined caught stealing, outs on base, and picked off. (Tampa has one more but they've also played an extra game.)

https://www.federalbaseball.com/2018/7/23/17602074/washington-nationals-baserunning-problem

The loss of Davey Lopes is profound
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Offline Air Desmond

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1693 on: July 23, 2018, 10:31:49 pm »
Tonight was the last straw, folks. Never seen anything like it. Those 100 loss teams had some clowns, but never guys that flat out quit. Tonight - Trea Turner flat out quit on a play. With no repercussions.

I’m done with this team. How you don’t put Difo in after that display is beyond me. Even Manny Acta had more authority than this joker.

Here’s the footage:

https://twitter.com/dcbarno/status/1021568566007672832?s=21

Even FP didn’t have an excuse:

https://twitter.com/dcbarno/status/1021570013583626240?s=21
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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1694 on: July 23, 2018, 10:33:20 pm »
Quote from: Air Desmond on July 23, 2018, 10:31:49 pm
Tonight was the last straw, folks. Never seen anything like it. Those 100 loss teams had some clowns on their team, but never guys that flat out quit. Tonight - Trea Turner flat out quit on a play. With no repercussions.

I’m done with this team. How you don’t put Difo in after that display is beyond me. Even Manny Acta had more authority than this joker.

You wont be missed
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Offline tomterp

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1695 on: July 23, 2018, 10:35:28 pm »
Quote from: PowerBoater69 on July 23, 2018, 07:29:42 pm
Federal Baseball has an article on something I noted a few weeks ago, that Martinez's aggressive base running team is leading the league for combined caught stealing, outs on base, and picked off. (Tampa has one more but they've also played an extra game.)

https://www.federalbaseball.com/2018/7/23/17602074/washington-nationals-baserunning-problem

This has cost us a lot of runs, and likely a few games.  I hate that "we're going to be aggressive" BS that appeals to the machismo as opposed to being geared to scoring more runs.  And damned if we don't need more runs.
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Offline Jeff in Gaithersburg

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1696 on: July 23, 2018, 11:37:49 pm »
This might be the worst Nats offense in a decade.
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Offline Air Desmond

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1697 on: July 24, 2018, 12:20:05 am »
“There’s a good chance he won’t play tomorrow”

#FreeDifo
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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1698 on: July 24, 2018, 07:22:56 am »
Quote from: Air Desmond on July 24, 2018, 12:20:05 am
“There’s a good chance he won’t play tomorrow”

#FreeDifo

I thought you were done?
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Offline LoveAngelos

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1699 on: July 24, 2018, 08:24:59 am »
Every game which goes by seems to provide further reason why Martinez should be dismissed.
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