PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

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[ToddGack]

That boondoogle with not letting the PH be announced is thae last straw for me FIRE HIM NOW. If he is Naddon's disciple remmebr that Maddon makes nuts decsions also

Well said. I understand people defending Martinez and the Nationals record because of the injuries but I'm not basing my opinion on the Nationals  record, I'm basing it on his decision making. If you don't trust your starting pitcher after 5.1 innings and 2 runs on 2 solo HRs by the same player and only 57 pitches-43 strikes-75%-then you should start looking for another #5 starter. Stop looking at a piece of paper and make decisions on what is happening right in front of you. Hellickson was pitching well and deserved to stay in the game. Making a pitching change before the pinch hitter is announced is inexcusable. And not pinch running for one of the slowest runners in baseball last Sunday night when the Nationals were 1 run down in the ninth was just plain dumb. Even someone with a very low baseball IQ knows you pinch run in that situation.

[van lingle mungo]

If you don't trust your starting pitcher after 5.1 innings and 2 runs on 2 solo HRs by the same player and only 57 pitches-43 strikes-75%-then you should start looking for another #5 starter. Stop looking at a piece of paper and make decisions on what is happening right in front of you. Hellickson was pitching well and deserved to stay in the game.

Yeah, I didn't get that at all. WTF?

"He was good, it was a hard decision, I mean he had (57) pitches,” Martinez said of Hellickson’s 5 1/3 innings. “But coming in to that sixth inning for some reason, things often happen so I thought it was a good time to get him out. But he pitched well, he gave us a chance to win.”

Heh? Translated, this means he pulled Hellickson for basically no reason at all .....???????.... And then he blew through the entire bullpen afterwards. Amazing.

[PowerBoater69]

Martinez really looked lost out there pleading with the ump. He's not going to make it, at this point the Nats should fire him as an act of mercy.

Ran right through his pen with no plan for what would happen if the Nats managed a tie in the tenth. Same results every night, same post game comments every night, he's waiting for something to happen when his role is to make something happen.

[Greg_SRT]

Martinez really looked lost out there pleading with the ump. He's not going to make it, at this point the Nats should fire him as an act of mercy.

Ran right through his pen with no plan for what would happen if the Nats managed a tie in the tenth. Same results every night, same post game comments every night, he's waiting for something to happen when his role is to make something happen.

They’ve average less than 3 runs in their last 6 losses. Those losses are not because of pitching or Dave.

[PowerBoater69]

They’ve average less than 3 runs in their last 6 losses. Those losses are not because of pitching or Dave.

You are right that, Martinez can't swing the bat for them, the players are getting paid a ton of money to hit the ball, they need to do their job. But Davey shouldn't make failure so comfortable. He keeps saying that they just need to keep fighting and things will go their way. How about punitive benchings? Extra fielding practice for guys who make an error. No music in the clubhouse after a loss was a Frank Robinson rule that was not popular with the players, bring that back. How about no booze in the clubhouse until the team gets back to .500? Stop being everyone's best friend like he was as a bench coach and start treating the guys like they are going to cost him his job.

[Greg_SRT]

You are right that, Martinez can't swing the bat for them, the players are getting paid a ton of money to hit the ball, they need to do their job. But Davey shouldn't make failure so comfortable. He keeps saying that they just need to keep fighting and things will go their way. How about punitive benchings? Extra fielding practice for guys who make an error. No music in the clubhouse after a loss was a Frank Robinson rule that was not popular with the players, bring that back. How about no booze in the clubhouse until the team gets back to .500? Stop being everyone's best friend like he was as a bench coach and start treating the guys like they are going to cost him his job.

If that is what’s happening behind closed doors, then I agree.

But what is he supposed to say publicly? Can’t say that MAT has regressed. That Wieters is one of the worst overall starting catchers in baseball. That Zimm needs to ride the bench when Murph is back.

[RichMinSC]

If that is what’s happening behind closed doors, then I agree.

But what is he supposed to say publicly? Can’t say that MAT has regressed. That Wieters is one of the worst overall starting catchers in baseball. That Zimm needs to ride the bench when Murph is back.

the manager can and must rectify those situations

[PowerBoater69]

If that is what’s happening behind closed doors, then I agree.

But what is he supposed to say publicly? Can’t say that MAT has regressed. That Wieters is one of the worst overall starting catchers in baseball. That Zimm needs to ride the bench when Murph is back.

Could be that Martinez is saying one thing and public and another in the clubhouse, but I doubt it for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Davey as being clever enough to pivot that sharply. Second, if players were being held accountable for their performance there would be complaints leaking out to the press.

His press conferences give me no confidence at all. I give briefings with news that is not always fun to present, managing not to point blame at individuals, and providing specific corrective action. If Martinez knew what to do to right the ship I'm going to guess that he would not keep that a secret.

[BuckyHarris]

How about punitive benchings? Extra fielding practice for guys who make an error. No music in the clubhouse after a loss was a Frank Robinson rule that was not popular with the players, bring that back. How about no booze in the clubhouse until the team gets back to .500? Stop being everyone's best friend like he was as a bench coach and start treating the guys like they are going to cost him his job.

Don't disagree, but how do we know WHAT's going on in the clubhouse?

[PowerBoater69]

Don't disagree, but how do we know WHAT's going on in the clubhouse?

More circle of trust meetings.

[Natsinpwc]

More circle of trust meetings.

Maybe they need a square of distrust?

[dcpatti]

Maybe they need a square of distrust?

I’d say that’s this thread, but it’s actually  more of a rectangle.

[PowerBoater69]

Maybe they need a square of distrust?

A circle of flush.

[skippy1999]

A circle of flush.

[HalfSmokes]

How about punitive benchings? Extra fielding practice for guys who make an error. No music in the clubhouse after a loss was a Frank Robinson rule that was not popular with the players, bring that back. How about no booze in the clubhouse until the team gets back to .500? Stop being everyone's best friend like he was as a bench coach and start treating the guys like they are going to cost him his job.

None of that works if you have a guy with a guaranteed contract wh ll doesn’t give a freak and still plays music or doesn’t show up to extra practice- frank robinson has a team of bums who needed the team more than the team needed them, a guy like Harper could just laugh and tell the manager to freak off

[imref]

None of that works if you have a guy with a guaranteed contract wh ll doesn’t give a freak and still plays music or doesn’t show up to extra practice- frank robinson has a team of bums who needed the team more than the team needed them, a guy like Harper could just laugh and tell the manager to freak off

he could ban orange slices after the game.

[PowerBoater69]

None of that works if you have a guy with a guaranteed contract wh ll doesn’t give a freak and still plays music or doesn’t show up to extra practice- frank robinson has a team of bums who needed the team more than the team needed them, a guy like Harper could just laugh and tell the manager to freak off

Benching works, if it's done right, it can also backfire. So I guess that while I'm calling for it, I'm not optimistic about Martinez being able to use it as a technique to improve the team.

[PowerBoater69]

The Nats won! I felt bad for Martinez though, they should let him collect the loose bats and balls so he feels like he contributed.

[LoveAngelos]

And Zimmerman  should be making some kind of sacrifice  ( not human, this is the 21st century) to the God's of Baseball for him not stranding the bases loaded...again.....

[van lingle mungo]

Have not seen this discussed at all in my time here....apologies if I'm going over old ground, but -

Rizzo's Plan B is Chip Hale. Prior managerial experience with the D-Backs, championship manager at all three levels of the minors, and an old associate of Rizzo's going back nearly 20 years. Rizzo looks out for his good ol' boys. My guess is that Hale will be filling out lineup cards here sooner than later if Martinez can't get this thing turned around.

[NatsAllThe Way]

Yeah, I didn't get that at all. WTF?

"He was good, it was a hard decision, I mean he had (57) pitches,” Martinez said of Hellickson’s 5 1/3 innings. “But coming in to that sixth inning for some reason, things often happen so I thought it was a good time to get him out. But he pitched well, he gave us a chance to win.”

Heh? Translated, this means he pulled Hellickson for basically no reason at all .....???????.... And then he blew through the entire bullpen afterwards. Amazing.

Someone should tell him that sometimes things often happen when Nats relievers pitch.

[Baseball is Life]

Any one who thinks Martinez should turn over the post game buffet or bench people to motivate players doesn't know much about how to lead people. You lead people by mentoring and actually coaching.

[Jeff in Gaithersburg]

I have doubts about Davey based on some of his horrible gafs so far but I'm certainly not ready to give up on him either. After a 9-1 start in 2016 under Dusty they went 14-15 in their next 29 and had a 7 game losing streak in June. I get the record was really good at the time of that losing streak I'm referring to but every team goes through a bad stretch or stretches, especially with injuries. 3 of their top 4 hitters are out plus Goodwin and you add a lousy pen to the mix that's not a formula for consistently winning games. I would have preferred a manager with experience given where this team is and the fact that their World Series window could be closing in the next few years, but I'm not making a firm judgment on Davey 28 games in.

[van lingle mungo]

Any one who thinks Martinez should turn over the post game buffet or bench people to motivate players doesn't know much about how to lead people. You lead people by mentoring and actually coaching.

Never mind a buffet tirade, you wouldn't bench a guy who wasn't performing up to standards? Benching guys has been a big motivator in baseball for decades...IOW get the job done, or the next man in line's got your job unless you straighten out. Not suggesting any Nats need benched right now, but just sayin'....