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no, read the article.  15 pounds of muscle resulted in lost flexibility.

He's 6 foot. 15lbs of "muscle" shouldn't do crap to his quickness.

Its incredibly hard to put on 15lbs of muscle without putting on a lot of other weight. I find it hard to believe he added 15lbs of muscle, didnt add a significant amount of fat, and still skipped legs day and cardio.

He might have added 15lbs, but it was bulk.

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Robles is a wild card for 2021.  With his pedigree, he could breakout offensively while being an elite CF.  To date, he's not shown many encouraging signs at the plate.  But, the tools are there.  He's only had 1 full season.  Out of him, Kieboom, and Garcia, we need at least 1 if not 2 to emerge as solid bats.

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Robles is a wild card for 2021.  With his pedigree, he could breakout offensively while being an elite CF.  To date, he's not shown many encouraging signs at the plate.  But, the tools are there.  He's only had 1 full season.  Out of him, Kieboom, and Garcia, we need at least 1 if not 2 to emerge as solid bats.

I don't hold any lofty expectations for any of them...they seem to be what we have seen of them already...

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I don't hold any lofty expectations for any of them...they seem to be what we have seen of them already...

I don't see how anybody could close the book on players so early in their careers.  Robles might be just another MAT, Kieboom might be a total bust, and Garcia may be Wilmer Difo.  But they are also still very much in the age range and experience range of guys still developing.  Heck, Garcia is a baby.

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I don't see how anybody could close the book on players so early in their careers.  Robles might be just another MAT, Kieboom might be a total bust, and Garcia may be Wilmer Difo.  But they are also still very much in the age range and experience range of guys still developing.  Heck, Garcia is a baby.

They all strike me as AAAA players...like Danny Espinosa.  We seem to specialize in developing those...

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They all strike me as AAAA players...like Danny Espinosa.  We seem to specialize in developing those...
Garcia can barely grow a beard at this point and you are comparing him to Espinosa? :smh:

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Robles is a wild card for 2021.  With his pedigree, he could breakout offensively while being an elite CF.  To date, he's not shown many encouraging signs at the plate.  But, the tools are there.  He's only had 1 full season.  Out of him, Kieboom, and Garcia, we need at least 1 if not 2 to emerge as solid bats.
If Robles and Kieboom don't become at least serviceable MLBers, then Rizzo is likely out of a job in three years. Cant have two top 20 prospects not pan out while not developing pitching and running up the payroll.

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Byron Buxton took a while to develop.

Has Buxton ever developed, really? He's heading into his age-27 season and thus far has really one half season of above average hitting?

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I want to like Victor Robles.

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Has Buxton ever developed, really? He's heading into his age-27 season and thus far has really one half season of above average hitting?
Health is an issue. When he's healthy, hes great

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no, read the article.  15 pounds of muscle resulted in lost flexibility.

so he turned into a gym bro instead of being smart about it- muscle gain and loss of flexibility do not go hand in hand

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They all strike me as AAAA players...like Danny Espinosa.  We seem to specialize in developing those...

every once in a while we'll have a aaaa player flourish (Desmond comes to mind), but yes, we do seem to specialize in guys who kill it in AAA and turn into strikeout machines in the majors

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so he turned into a gym bro instead of being smart about it- muscle gain and loss of flexibility do not go hand in hand
They can if you do it right.

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They can if you do it right.
Bryson DeChambeau agrees.

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They can if you do it right.

wouldn't that be doing it wrong ;)

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so he turned into a gym bro instead of being smart about it- muscle gain and loss of flexibility do not go hand in hand
don't make me try to defend him as smart. I'm just saying he didn't look fat and that his arms were Thames-esque.  The dude was already supposed to be one of the most muscular guys on the team, so is it shocking that he kept on lifting when he was idle?  It's kind of like the guys who get muscular in prison because lifting weights is all you can do.  Like I said, don't accuse me of calling him smart about this.

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Health is an issue. When he's healthy, hes great
???

Even if you take out his awful beginning and start in 2017, since then he's ranked 30th among CF in wOBA. Granted he's great on the bases and on defense, but I thought this conversation was about Robles becoming more than a speedy defensive OF? Buxton is not a good hitter.

His closest hitting comp since 2017 is probably Randal Grichuk.

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???

Even if you take out his awful beginning and start in 2017, since then he's ranked 30th among CF in wOBA. Granted he's great on the bases and on defense, but I thought this conversation was about Robles becoming more than a speedy defensive OF? Buxton is not a good hitter.

His closest hitting comp since 2017 is probably Randal Grichuk.
He has back to  back seasons of 110+ wRC+. Couple that with elite defense and you have one of the best true CFers in baseball.

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He has back to  back seasons of 110+ wRC+. Couple that with elite defense and you have one of the best true CFers in baseball.

Okay lets use wRC+, limit it to the last two seasons, and ratchet the PAs necessary down to 400 to account for the fact he's injured all the time.

Buxton ranked 17th among CF in wRC+.

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Okay lets use wRC+, limit it to the last two seasons, and ratchet the PAs necessary down to 400 to account for the fact he's injured all the time.

Buxton ranked 17th among CF in wRC+.

There are three OFers with at least 900 innings in CF that time frame that have more DRS than Buxton. None of them have as high a wRC+

Elite fielding CFers that slug over .500 are an absolute premium.  Right now, I would love if Robles turned into that.

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Garcia can barely grow a beard at this point and you are comparing him to Espinosa? :smh:

Don't be splittin' hairs...

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every once in a while we'll have a aaaa player flourish (Desmond comes to mind), but yes, we do seem to specialize in guys who kill it in AAA and turn into strikeout machines in the majors

Desmond is a career .263 hitter with a career WAR of 15.  He's borderline...and his career earnings with those numbers will be about $100MM.  Good for him, but really glad he turned down Rizzo's offer...