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Offline varoadking

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He's never been a great defender ...  yet has repeated nominations for gold glove and advanced metrics that say he's a good defender (advanced metrics that also account for baserunners advancing on throws, FYI)

But sure, not a good fielder.

He's above average...and you know what that means...

Offline Natsinpwc

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Victors dWAR from Baseball Reference since 2019:

2019.  2.7
2020  -0.2 (short season)
2021. 0.2
2022. 1.6
2023.  -0.9. (Injury shortened season)

So he has generally regressed.  He certainly can chase balls down and has a decent arms but on a team like the Nats it does not really offset his weak hitting.  In contrast I looked at the Phillies Johan Rojas. His dWAR last year was 1.7.  In just 59 games.  Now that’s a valuable defensive player who you might want to keep in the lineup despite weak hitting. 

At this point in time getting worked about him being on the team or not playing is useless.  He’s not part of the team going forward.  A placeholder at best.  If Victor can draw walks like he has and steal bases that will help keep him in MLB. 

 

Offline Natsinpwc

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He's above average...and you know what that means...
:rimshot:

Offline Senatorswin

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With the Nats having below average hitting I think they need to make up for it as much as they can by running and defense. That's why I would of kept Young up and put him in left. That would of had great outfield defense and speed. Robles did what they need tonight. He got on twice and ran as soon as he reached.

Offline nobleisthyname

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Victors dWAR from Baseball Reference since 2019:

2019.  2.7
2020  -0.2 (short season)
2021. 0.2
2022. 1.6
2023.  -0.9. (Injury shortened season)

So he has generally regressed.  He certainly can chase balls down and has a decent arms but on a team like the Nats it does not really offset his weak hitting.  In contrast I looked at the Phillies Johan Rojas. His dWAR last year was 1.7.  In just 59 games.  Now that’s a valuable defensive player who you might want to keep in the lineup despite weak hitting. 

At this point in time getting worked about him being on the team or not playing is useless.  He’s not part of the team going forward.  A placeholder at best.  If Victor can draw walks like he has and steal bases that will help keep him in MLB.

Baseball Reference WAR still uses DRS for its dWAR, which is the most outdated of the three "advanced" fielding metrics (UZR, DRS, OAA). By OAA which is what Fangraphs and Baseball Savant use, Robles was as good a defender in 2022 as Johan Rojas was last season.

Last year Robles was negative defensively, but he was also dealing with the back injury.

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Rizzo should be working non-stop to trade Victor if he's not going to play him. There has to be a team out there that would want him in exchange for a mid-level prospect.

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Rizzo should be working non-stop to trade Victor if he's not going to play him. There has to be a team out there that would want him in exchange for a mid-level prospect.
he is getting into games. He's just for now a short-side of a platoon starter who is a defensive replacement and pinch runner. He has room to expand that role as other players get hurt or miss games. If he rips the heck out of the ball and one of Rosario / Winker / Meneses bombs out (or maybe even Gallo exhausts their patience), then he'll get his chance.

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he is getting into games. He's just for now a short-side of a platoon starter who is a defensive replacement and pinch runner. He has room to expand that role as other players get hurt or miss games. If he rips the heck out of the ball and one of Rosario / Winker / Meneses bombs out (or maybe even Gallo exhausts their patience), then he'll get his chance.

My thought is DM wants to get Rosario AB's as he was a late arrival to ST. Also, he is hoping the 5M investment in Gallo eventually gets un-tracked and has a small ROI .

Offline Natsinpwc

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Rizzo should be working non-stop to trade Victor if he's not going to play him. There has to be a team out there that would want him in exchange for a mid-level prospect.
LOL. 

Offline imref

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Time to play the comparison game:

CF-A:
29 years old: 2617 ABs .256 / .309 / .385, OPS+ 91, 39 SBs, 25 HRs, 8.2 oWAR, 4.1 dWAR

CF-B:
26 years old: 1587 ABs, .238 / .312 / .359, OPS+82, 68 SBs, 31 HRs, 3.7 oWAR, 3.7 dWAR

CF-A just signed a 2/$19 million contract with a third team-option year.

CF-A is Manuel Margot, CF-B is Vic

Vic absolutely has value.

Offline Natsinpwc

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No one is going to trade for a partial year of Victor at his contract.  They can just wait and sign him in the off-season if they really want him.  Some team will.  Just as the Nats signed Senzel. 

The Margot contract and his trades were a bit complicated. I don’t think Tampa is on the hook for the full amounts.  He was already under contract for 2024 I believe.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/dodgers-trade-manuel-margot-to-twins-just-months-after-acquisition-bring-back-enrique-hernandez/

MAT signed for $4 million.  That would seem to be the market for Victor. 




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LOL.

Agreed...if anyone wanted him, he'd be gone by now...