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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2018, 02:51:15 pm »
some of y'all are nuts.

while good health can contribute to success, it doesn't guarantee it.
after memorial day or thereabouts, all the players are playing beat up and nursing various owies and bumps.
It doesn't really change my enjoyment of the game to know if Harper has another ingrown toenail or just a normal day off.
The best of medical information isn't gonna change my disappointment when Zim strikes out again.
And as a fan there is no difference to me if they reported Eaton's ankle injury when they reported his ACL tear; that ACL tear ended his season, period, and he was going to be out for a long time, whether or not he had ankle, toe, or random shoulder damage to go with it.

no one is lying to you. there is no sinister cover-up konspiracy on the part of the team.  go buy a roll of tinfoil for your hat.

So are you saying it’s not the lizard people?

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« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2018, 02:56:39 pm »
Is that another one of them there fancy State school words?
It is one of my favorites and to tell the truth I have never seen anyone on here use it. Bluestreak.......you da' man!!

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« Reply #102 on: April 10, 2018, 02:58:11 pm »
some of y'all are nuts.

while good health can contribute to success, it doesn't guarantee it.
after memorial day or thereabouts, all the players are playing beat up and nursing various owies and bumps.
It doesn't really change my enjoyment of the game to know if Harper has another ingrown toenail or just a normal day off.
The best of medical information isn't gonna change my disappointment when Zim strikes out again.
And as a fan there is no difference to me if they reported Eaton's ankle injury when they reported his ACL tear; that ACL tear ended his season, period, and he was going to be out for a long time, whether or not he had ankle, toe, or random shoulder damage to go with it.

no one is lying to you. there is no sinister cover-up konspiracy on the part of the team.  go buy a roll of tinfoil for your hat.
They did report the ankle at the time but the major part of the story was the ACL.

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« Reply #103 on: April 10, 2018, 03:11:09 pm »
They did report the ankle at the time but the major part of the story was the ACL.

then i guess it was the meniscus tear to go with Ramos' ACL injury. Some were in a bit of a  tizzy over the perceived cover-up.

So are you saying it’s not the lizard people?


Crab people.  It's always the crab people.

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« Reply #104 on: April 10, 2018, 03:27:21 pm »
Last I checked the main reason to cheer for sports teams is for them to win and losing sucks???? Unless you are one of those types that hands out medals for kids coming in last place.
Run the video. (How do you guys post a video screen on here?)....

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/28/bryce-harper-little-league-advice-participation-trophies

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« Reply #105 on: April 10, 2018, 03:37:34 pm »
Run the video. (How do you guys post a video screen on here?)....

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/28/bryce-harper-little-league-advice-participation-trophies

Because that's how life works, if you aren't in first place, you've failed. I think I'll rely on life advice from someone other than a 25 year old super gifted athlete.

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« Reply #106 on: April 10, 2018, 04:30:36 pm »
some of y'all are nuts.

while good health can contribute to success, it doesn't guarantee it.
after memorial day or thereabouts, all the players are playing beat up and nursing various owies and bumps.
It doesn't really change my enjoyment of the game to know if Harper has another ingrown toenail or just a normal day off.
The best of medical information isn't gonna change my disappointment when Zim strikes out again.
And as a fan there is no difference to me if they reported Eaton's ankle injury when they reported his ACL tear; that ACL tear ended his season, period, and he was going to be out for a long time, whether or not he had ankle, toe, or random shoulder damage to go with it.

no one is lying to you. there is no sinister cover-up konspiracy on the part of the team.  go buy a roll of tinfoil for your hat.


The doctor told me if I put tin foil in my hat the messages from Galaxy 7 will start up again.....but at least I get the full story from them

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #107 on: April 10, 2018, 04:42:19 pm »

The doctor told me if I put tin foil in my hat the messages from Galaxy 7 will start up again.....but at least I get the full story from them
Does a generic brand work or does it have to Reynold's?

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« Reply #108 on: April 10, 2018, 04:44:29 pm »
Does a generic brand work or does it have to Reynold's?

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« Reply #109 on: April 10, 2018, 04:49:54 pm »
Y'all gonna make me bust out the Alex Jones remix, aint ya?

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« Reply #110 on: April 10, 2018, 04:54:05 pm »
Alcoa

Have I mentioned they're from Western, PA?

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« Reply #111 on: April 10, 2018, 05:01:40 pm »
Have I mentioned they're from Western, PA?

No need.   It's in my original spoiler alert.

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« Reply #112 on: April 10, 2018, 05:14:28 pm »
A foil hat will keep you protected. Tell em Al


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« Reply #113 on: April 10, 2018, 08:11:48 pm »
helping tonight!

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« Reply #114 on: April 10, 2018, 10:29:50 pm »
Hell, (tomterp  please note the lack of inappropriate language marker) why bother even knowing their names? Waste of time putting them on the back of uniforms. For now on I'm just going to let them spoon feed and accept everything FP says and just be ignorant and happy to be kept so

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Hell, I know you were just trying to avoid the automated cuss word censors, but you don't really have to as long as you remember your friendly moderator around Festivus time.

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« Reply #115 on: April 11, 2018, 07:01:52 am »
Aw hell, it is the Festivus season

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« Reply #116 on: April 12, 2018, 12:00:56 am »
Does it really enhance to know the fan experience to know if RZ was a little hurt in ST, or his reasons for sitting out ST? All I really care to know is how he's performing in games that actually count and what he's doing to fix it. In fact constantly ruminating on what if any way the team has made mistakes actually decreases my fan experience.

No, it doesn't enhance the "fan experience." BTW, that was a Stan Kasten catch phrase IIRC that he used quite often when referring to all of the supposedly wonderful perks that a new Nationals Park was going to offer - never mind spending any money to get decent players.....but your kid can go to Build-A-Bear and you can pay out the ying yang for local craft beer, etc... Sorry to burst your bubble, but fans deserve to have certain expectations met, especially when it comes to an organization making a proper effort to field a winner. The fans pay the bills, after all, and fans have every right to criticize when a guy like RZ sits out an entire spring on the heels of yet another first round playoff failure, or when the team gets swept at home by a division rival in the opening series.

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I will never for the life of me understand why so many people perseverate on finding something bad about the team or something to be upset about.

Because when a team with a gigantic payroll that's being funded by my dime and yours is continually not living up to potential, its weaknesses get magnified, and rightfully so. Happens on an IMB like this one, and it will be all over every RSN and on ESPN, as well. Win or go home, baby. But hang onto your rose colored glasses if that's what suits you.

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« Reply #117 on: April 12, 2018, 01:07:43 am »
No, it doesn't enhance the "fan experience." BTW, that was a Stan Kasten catch phrase IIRC that he used quite often when referring to all of the supposedly wonderful perks that a new Nationals Park was going to offer - never mind spending any money to get decent players.....but your kid can go to Build-A-Bear and you can pay out the ying yang for local craft beer, etc... Sorry to burst your bubble, but fans deserve to have certain expectations met, especially when it comes to an organization making a proper effort to field a winner. The fans pay the bills, after all, and fans have every right to criticize when a guy like RZ sits out an entire spring on the heels of yet another first round playoff failure, or when the team gets swept at home by a division rival in the opening series.

Because when a team with a gigantic payroll that's being funded by my dime and yours is continually not living up to potential, its weaknesses get magnified, and rightfully so. Happens on an IMB like this one, and it will be all over every RSN and on ESPN, as well. Win or go home, baby. But hang onto your rose colored glasses if that's what suits you.

When did I say that people couldn’t criticize? If you think it was a bad idea for RZ to skip spring training that is a completely valid opinion and this is totally appropriate forum to voice it. It’s totally fine to debate what effect that decision has on his play on the field.

What I did say is that I don’t expect to know every facet of what went into that decision and every detail of whether he had a minor injury or whatever. Knowing these things has zero impact on my enjoyment (or non enjoyment) of games. I also don’t expect (or deserve) every detail of a player’s health. Give me the basic nature of the injury and when you expect the player back and that’s all I really need, with the understanding that the human body doesn’t always heal on schedule and even the best doctors don’t always know what’s going on. Sure it’s interesting to speculate, but nobody owes me this information because I bought a ticket. A ticket entitles me to the on field product, which I still currently enjoy. When I don’t, I’ll probably buy fewer tickets.

There is plenty of negative things in my life and in the real world that I can’t avoid. I choose not to go looking for it in my sports fandom. This is supposed to be fun.  I see it as a diversion from the real world. So, no, I’m not looking for extra reasons to be upset at the teams I follow. There are plenty of actual frustrations with following a team that I don’t need to take a negative view of literallly everything a team does. If that’s what you want, that is completely your right, but like I said, I’ll never understand it because this is supposed to be fun and it’s not mandatory. So if it’s not fun, why bother? Just my opinion. Everyone doesn’t have to share it.

I will say, though, anyone who honestly believes the Nationals aren’t trying to field a competitive team is, and I’m trying to say this in the nicest way, delusional. There aren’t more than six or seven fan bases that wouldn’t switch places with us right now.

Anyway, just my opinion....

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« Reply #118 on: April 12, 2018, 07:08:47 am »
I don’t think Zimmerman skipping ST is the issue. He got plenty at bats supposedly. It could be that adjustments with the new hitting coach that has caused some hitters to be off. And those adjustments may not be nature to some hitters yet.

Zimmerman seems to be determined to swing prior to seeing the pitch.

MAT’s lower half is new, the upper half isn’t. And it doesn’t seem to be fluid yet.

Of course this is my opinion. I’m not a hitting expert or anything close. But the years I’ve seen guys like Zimm and MAT shown me that they are very creatures of habit. And the adjustments are comfy yet.

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #119 on: April 12, 2018, 08:35:47 am »
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

I wonder idly how much of this is due to the new coaches DM brought in? Thought Dusty had a good staff...

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« Reply #120 on: April 12, 2018, 08:57:33 am »
I don’t think Zimmerman skipping ST is the issue. He got plenty at bats supposedly.

^This.

He didn't even skip "Spring Training." He skipped the exhibition games that happen during spring training.   If you've never been to spring training, there's a huge complex with multiple baseball fields in addition to the ticketed-access stadium.  There are games happening on those back fields while the ticketed exhibition games are going on, and/or earlier in the day, and while the rules in those games might be a little loose (i.e. certain batters can skip their turn in the field), the pitchers are basically anyone who's in camp who isn't scheduled for the ticketed game. 

It's only the last week or so of exhibition games where it's mostly the big league starters playing, and even then, they're coming out after 7 innings; earlier in ST, they play every other day, or 3 out of 5,and they play 4 innings, get their 2 or 3 at-bats, then turn it over to the kiddos. With a zillion pitchers fighting for roster space, your starters miss the first 2 weeks of exhibition games, then start on a 25-pitch limit and get replaced by a bunch of names picked out of a hat.  So what Zimmerman really missed was around 50 innings (10 games ish) against a mix of pitching quality. Everything from Syndergaard to The Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp.  And instead he was taking swings against everyone from Strasburg to Ismael Guillo.  While still doing the strength, agility, batting and fielding drills like everyone else.

The optics aren't great, especially to a casual fan or someone who hasn't ever been to spring training, but it's hardly the cause of Zim's current struggles.   

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2018, 09:50:19 am »
Ryan Zimmerman is a belter.  As everyone here should know by now, RBI's is the only reasonable metric by which to evaluate a belter's value.  Right now Zimmerman is only on pace for 67 RBI's.  A great belter in today's game gets at least 90 RBI's, so all he needs to do is get 1 extra RBI/week from here on out and he'll be firmly in the great player category again.  Everyone needs to relax.   8)

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« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2018, 10:33:16 am »
Ryan Zimmerman is a belter.  As everyone here should know by now, RBI's is the only reasonable metric by which to evaluate a belter's value.  Right now Zimmerman is only on pace for 67 RBI's.  A great belter in today's game gets at least 90 RBI's, so all he needs to do is get 1 extra RBI/week from here on out and he'll be firmly in the great player category again.  Everyone needs to relax.   8)

Zimm seems very aggressive. That's a good thing. He still hits hard and he's trying to elevate. All good things.

He seems determined to swing before the pitch is thrown, that's bad.


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« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2018, 10:48:11 am »
Whatever he did in ST apparently didn't work

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« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2018, 11:06:07 am »
why are posts redacted?