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Offline whytev

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1175 on: August 17, 2015, 11:16:14 pm »
Me too, I thought it was nuts they foisted Davey's staff on Williams.

Me too but I chalked it up to Danny quitting rather than being sacked.

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« Reply #1176 on: August 17, 2015, 11:28:08 pm »
So... Matty will be in uniform tomorrow, huh? Bummer.


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« Reply #1178 on: August 18, 2015, 07:36:55 am »
Ray Knight for interim manager!!

You'd take an Angelos hire over what we've got now (underperforming though he is)? That's desperate.

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« Reply #1179 on: August 18, 2015, 08:24:37 am »
Boswell inherited some of the grandeur that was Shirley Povich.

Not even close.  That's an insult to Povich.

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« Reply #1180 on: August 18, 2015, 08:41:45 am »
Not even close.  That's an insult to Povich.

I'd say welch has enough personal experience to express an educated opinion on the matter.

What I'm trying to say is... He's old. :P

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« Reply #1181 on: August 18, 2015, 08:42:41 am »
Wow - the Mets can't believe it either!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/harper-nationals-mess-mets-wally-backman-hire-article-1.2328956

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“I was hoping he’d get that job,” Uggla said. “He deserves the opportunity. If I was a GM, I’d hire him to be my manager. He has a great way of getting guys fired up to play.”


Well, we could use some of that.  Ok, we could use a big dose of that.

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« Reply #1182 on: August 18, 2015, 08:44:04 am »
I'd say welch has enough personal experience to express an educated opinion on the matter.

What I'm trying to say is... He's old. :P

Well, Ray ain't no spring chicken himself.

I agree with Welch on this however - while Boz is no Povich, there's still plenty of room to be a fine writer and baseball columnist, and Boswell is one.

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« Reply #1183 on: August 18, 2015, 08:59:48 am »
Anyone calling for Bud Black to be given serious consideration must have never watched him fist fook himself when he "managed" the Padres. 

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« Reply #1184 on: August 18, 2015, 09:47:31 am »
Not even close.  That's an insult to Povich.

Boswell is, I am convinced, still at least a closet Orioles supporter.

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« Reply #1185 on: August 18, 2015, 10:19:02 am »
Not even close.  That's an insult to Povich.

That's why I wrote "inherited" and "some".  Boswell is the Posts's senior sports writer now, so some of Povich's influence falls to him. Not that Boswell deserves to be classed with Povich. Nobody writes a lead paragraph like Povich...just for starters.

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Boswell's Q&A yesterday had a couple of revealing comments: Williams was hired to be a "leave well enough alone" manager, given an overpowering roster on the assumption that he won't upset anything. As Boswell notes, Williams has never had to rally a team for a stretch drive.

Reminds me of Bucky Harris in 1924 pulling that team together to overtake the Babe Ruth Yankees in August and down to the last week of the season. (Maybe this season is driving me back to read about the Griff / Bucky / Walter Johnson era? Ouch...starting my hot-stove-season reading early). Then Bucky ordering his fired-up team to be gentlemen in their last road trip, as they played western teams that hated the Yankees...don't provoke them into playing harder, he said.

Tuesday morning and no changes: steady as you go, Titanic.

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Yes, Wally Backman would be just right. I saw him in '86. Wally was the fire in Davey's boiler.

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« Reply #1186 on: August 18, 2015, 10:28:15 am »
[...]Reminds me of Bucky Harris in 1924 pulling that team together to overtake the Babe Ruth Yankees in August and down to the last week of the season.[...]

Not just the Yankees (who were coming off their first-ever World Series title that year) but the St Louis Browns in one of their few real years of non-war-year competitiveness, and the Detroit Tigers in their best season with Ty Cobb as manager (read the 'Sabotaged' chapter in My Life in Baseball for his view on why it didn't come off). The American League in 1924 was an honest-to-goodness pennant race.

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« Reply #1187 on: August 18, 2015, 12:23:50 pm »
I'd say welch has enough personal experience to express an educated opinion on the matter.


Ofcourse he does. And all I was doing was expressing an opinion.

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« Reply #1188 on: August 18, 2015, 12:26:28 pm »
Well, Ray ain't no spring chicken himself.

I agree with Welch on this however - while Boz is no Povich, there's still plenty of room to be a fine writer and baseball columnist, and Boswell is one.
Let's revisit this in 50 years. I'll bet nobody will have heard of Boswell.  That's not to say he isn't a fine writer, but there are plenty of those. Povich was one of a kind.

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« Reply #1189 on: August 18, 2015, 12:33:07 pm »
Give me a manager that runs out of the dugout, kicks dirt, throws a base, and generally let's his extreme displeasure fire every one up. Earl Weaver, Casey Stengel, Billy Martin - you know what I mean!

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« Reply #1190 on: August 18, 2015, 01:03:17 pm »
Wally is an jerk. His style won't play at the major league level. Watch some of the stuff from his DVD on youtube, very NSFW as you might assume. It's one thing to fire your players up, it's another to just berate and belittle them. Maybe he wouldn't try that in the bigs, when he's talking to professionals who are making more than he'll make in a lifetime in just one month, but it seems it's in his character. He's a wifebeater. So the freak with that guy, let the Mets have him.

We don't need a motivator, Matt did that fine last year, his philosophy worked fine last year, and following a couple team meetings the team bounced back, in Atlanta in April through May and then in Tampa Bay through til the ASB. We need someone who actually knows baseball strategy, who can manage a freaking bullpen and create better opportunities for his players, either in the lineup or in pinch hitting scenarios, etc. Buck Showalter routinely turns the likes of Brad Brach and Jimmy Paredes (who?) into Dennis Eckersley and Edgar Martinez. Matt Williams actually negates some of the positives of his players either in defensive alignment or position in the lineup. I don't know that ole Wally would be any better, or worse.

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« Reply #1191 on: August 18, 2015, 01:08:43 pm »
I wonder what Pudge Rodriguez's views on in-game strategy are.

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« Reply #1192 on: August 18, 2015, 01:32:52 pm »
I wonder what Pudge Rodriguez's views on in-game strategy are.

Use steroids to pad stats.

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« Reply #1193 on: August 18, 2015, 02:08:57 pm »
Give me a manager that runs out of the dugout, kicks dirt, throws a base, and generally let's his extreme displeasure fire every one up. Earl Weaver, Casey Stengel, Billy Martin - you know what I mean!

Sounds like Riggleman.

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« Reply #1194 on: August 18, 2015, 02:29:59 pm »
So I guess Williams is safe and tonight we will have the same old lineup with the same results.

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« Reply #1195 on: August 18, 2015, 02:51:31 pm »
I wonder what Pudge Rodriguez's views on in-game strategy are.

Rizzo needs to take over like Jennings did in Miami.. Only option.

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« Reply #1196 on: August 18, 2015, 02:54:10 pm »
Rizzo needs to take over like Jennings did in Miami.. Only option.
I think Randy Knorr is a much better choice.  Very popular in the clubhouse and a guy who worked with a lot of our current team in the minors.  I think firing Matt and going straight to Knorr would yield immediate results.

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« Reply #1197 on: August 18, 2015, 03:06:06 pm »
I think Randy Knorr is a much better choice.  Very popular in the clubhouse and a guy who worked with a lot of our current team in the minors.  I think firing Matt and going straight to Knorr would yield immediate results.

I could get behind this idea, he was really gracious when they picked Matt over him but I imagine he would love to show that they were wrong for making that decision so he'd be highly motivated and like you said the players seem to really like him, not that liking the manager can always have an effect but I can't help but think it'd give the players a lift and right now we need all the lifts we can get!

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« Reply #1198 on: August 18, 2015, 03:06:40 pm »
Given what he's been through this year he might just totally freak out under pressure...or perhaps it would be really good for him and he would be totally locked in. The fact that he's back at all leans me towards the latter.   
I think Randy Knorr is a much better choice.  Very popular in the clubhouse and a guy who worked with a lot of our current team in the minors.  I think firing Matt and going straight to Knorr would yield immediate results.

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« Reply #1199 on: August 18, 2015, 03:15:56 pm »
All this talk is great but man I just can't see us firing Williams until we're totally out of it. Doesn't seem like Rizzo's MO. Riggleman walked out on him, Davey retired, and Williams is Mike's boy. You think he is going to be quick to fire his first real managerial hiring?