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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #475 on: July 31, 2015, 10:55:14 pm »
Well, it's working so far. My style's unorthodox, but of course it rocks.
Baseball is a funny game sometimes.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #476 on: July 31, 2015, 11:18:11 pm »
Still no clue how to use a bull pen or getting his players to do the little things it's all on mat can't wait for him to get fired at the end of the season

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #477 on: July 31, 2015, 11:25:59 pm »
If we miss the playoffs does he get fired?

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #478 on: July 31, 2015, 11:29:40 pm »
If we miss the playoffs does he get fired?
I would think so

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #479 on: July 31, 2015, 11:30:25 pm »
He claims some guys were unavailable so he had to stretch some guys but he refused to say who was unavailable.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #480 on: July 31, 2015, 11:31:39 pm »
I would think so

Might be worth it then.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #481 on: July 31, 2015, 11:51:14 pm »
He claims some guys were unavailable so he had to stretch some guys but he refused to say who was unavailable.

Storen pitched the last two days.  Before that he last pitched on the 22nd.
Papelbon pitched yesterday before that, he last pitched on the 24th
Thornton hadn't pitched since the 26th.
Janssen last pitched on the 29th.

Unless someone is injured, Williams is lying.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #482 on: July 31, 2015, 11:51:35 pm »
Might be worth it then.

Ridiculous. :smh:  there's no freaking way I'm of this mindset.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #483 on: July 31, 2015, 11:53:03 pm »
Storen pitched the last two days.  Before that he last pitched on the 22nd.
Papelbon pitched yesterday before that, he last pitched on the 24th
Thornton hadn't pitched since the 26th.
Janssen last pitched on the 29th.

Unless someone is injured, Williams is lying.

I think he was trying to cover his ass because when asked who was unavailable he seemed caught in a corner and just dismissed it as "we'll just leave it at that."

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #484 on: July 31, 2015, 11:54:29 pm »
Yeah, I will only accept that Storen was unavailable. How about Janssen in that spot?

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #485 on: July 31, 2015, 11:58:14 pm »
Ridiculous. :smh:  there's no freaking way I'm of this mindset.

I never see us winning a world series with him. He's just too clueless. We could possibly win a division series because it's shorter but when it comes to a 7 game series managed by Matt Williams? Not happening.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #486 on: August 01, 2015, 12:01:37 am »
Matt is a moron. Plain and simple. He's a significant liability, we all saw that plain as day last October. Now that was his rookie year, so you could cut him some slack, but he hasn't really developed at all as a Manager. I hope at season's end we can his ass and get someone with some experience who's ready to take that next step and win. If you look at the Managers that have won recently, they're all guys on their 2nd jobs...

Bochy managed San Diego before San Fran.
Girardi managed Miami before New York.
La Russa managed Oakland before St. Louis.
Farrell managed Toronto before Boston.

I'm not sure who is out there thats available. Ideally someone sharp and ahead of the curve. Probably missed the boat though when we didn't take a shot at Joe Madden.

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« Reply #487 on: August 01, 2015, 12:03:43 am »
As I posted, he doesn't like to use Janssen to frequently and he gives Thornton multiple days off.  Rizzo needed to get another bullpen arm and one of these, "I can't use you too much" relievers have to go.  You can't have two of them.  It handicaps the team too much.

Unless Janssen is injured, not using him makes no sense at at all.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #488 on: August 01, 2015, 12:05:33 am »
I think he was trying to cover his ass because when asked who was unavailable he seemed caught in a corner and just dismissed it as "we'll just leave it at that."

Or someone is hurt. 

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #489 on: August 01, 2015, 12:06:55 am »
Just how many chromosomes does this guy have?

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #490 on: August 01, 2015, 12:48:26 am »
Matt is a moron. Plain and simple. He's a significant liability, we all saw that plain as day last October. Now that was his rookie year, so you could cut him some slack, but he hasn't really developed at all as a Manager. I hope at season's end we can his ass and get someone with some experience who's ready to take that next step and win. If you look at the Managers that have won recently, they're all guys on their 2nd jobs...

Bochy managed San Diego before San Fran.
Girardi managed Miami before New York.
La Russa managed Oakland before St. Louis.
Farrell managed Toronto before Boston.

I'm not sure who is out there thats available. Ideally someone sharp and ahead of the curve. Probably missed the boat though when we didn't take a shot at Joe Madden.

Ryne Sandberg? lol

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #491 on: August 01, 2015, 01:14:47 am »
Matt is a moron. Plain and simple. He's a significant liability, we all saw that plain as day last October. Now that was his rookie year, so you could cut him some slack, but he hasn't really developed at all as a Manager. I hope at season's end we can his ass and get someone with some experience who's ready to take that next step and win. If you look at the Managers that have won recently, they're all guys on their 2nd jobs...

Bochy managed San Diego before San Fran.
Girardi managed Miami before New York.
La Russa managed Oakland before St. Louis.
Farrell managed Toronto before Boston.

I'm not sure who is out there thats available. Ideally someone sharp and ahead of the curve. Probably missed the boat though when we didn't take a shot at Joe Madden.


Madden is overrated. Kevin Cash is doing a better job in Tampa. Bud Black is who they should target.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #492 on: August 01, 2015, 01:22:15 am »
As I posted, he doesn't like to use Janssen to frequently and he gives Thornton multiple days off.  Rizzo needed to get another bullpen arm and one of these, "I can't use you too much" relievers have to go.  You can't have two of them.  It handicaps the team too much.

Unless Janssen is injured, not using him makes no sense at at all.

It made perfect sense to try to get through one more inning with Rivero. He was cruising, is a recently converted starter, and had only thrown 19 pitches through 2 innings. The pitcher's spot was due up first for us next inning, and neither Rivero nor Janssen would have batted - we'd have used a starter to pinch hit. So, by getting one more inning out of rivero, you also avoid having to pitch hit after a single inning for jansssen. (No reason to go to Thornton either, since we already had a lefty.)  with drew obviously unavailable, the bullpen was a little short, and we'd already used our long man (tanner), so trying to get as many innings as possible out of everyone was the most prudent way to go about it.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #493 on: August 01, 2015, 01:53:23 am »
It made perfect sense to try to get through one more inning with Rivero. He was cruising, is a recently converted starter, and had only thrown 19 pitches through 2 innings. The pitcher's spot was due up first for us next inning, and neither Rivero nor Janssen would have batted - we'd have used a starter to pinch hit. So, by getting one more inning out of rivero, you also avoid having to pitch hit after a single inning for jansssen. (No reason to go to Thornton either, since we already had a lefty.)  with drew obviously unavailable, the bullpen was a little short, and we'd already used our long man (tanner), so trying to get as many innings as possible out of everyone was the most prudent way to go about it.

Sanity.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #494 on: August 01, 2015, 01:57:39 am »
Sanity.

I was about to jump off the local bridge in Tulsa, OK until I read the two of you.

Thanks--my unborn child would never been a Nats fan without the two of you.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #495 on: August 01, 2015, 03:47:26 am »
It made perfect sense to try to get through one more inning with Rivero. He was cruising, is a recently converted starter, and had only thrown 19 pitches through 2 innings. The pitcher's spot was due up first for us next inning, and neither Rivero nor Janssen would have batted - we'd have used a starter to pinch hit. So, by getting one more inning out of rivero, you also avoid having to pitch hit after a single inning for jansssen. (No reason to go to Thornton either, since we already had a lefty.)  with drew obviously unavailable, the bullpen was a little short, and we'd already used our long man (tanner), so trying to get as many innings as possible out of everyone was the most prudent way to go about it.
he had to burn uggla to sub for harper, he used robinson to  get on, pinch ran espinosa for robinson to score the only run, and had pinch hit moore.  Literally, the only bench guy was Ramos, I think.  He possibly could have double switched at the start of the 12th because Lobaton had made the last out.  That's the only bench move left. 

Even if he wanted to hold off on Storen, he had 3 other guys to available, but most of those guys are not used to multiple innings (thornton, janssen, paps).  He may have been of the mindset that you hold paps until we have a lead, or at least you hold off a fresh arm for when you have a lead.  Not my approach, but that may have been why you did not see Thornton or Janssen in the 12th.  If Rivero was going to be last man standing, then maybe you go with MT in the 10th and CJ in the 11th.  It is not an obvious call.

Get mad at Harper for getting run in a close, tie game against your closest rival in their ballpark.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #496 on: August 01, 2015, 03:57:16 am »
It made perfect sense to try to get through one more inning with Rivero. He was cruising, is a recently converted starter, and had only thrown 19 pitches through 2 innings. The pitcher's spot was due up first for us next inning, and neither Rivero nor Janssen would have batted - we'd have used a starter to pinch hit. So, by getting one more inning out of rivero, you also avoid having to pitch hit after a single inning for jansssen. (No reason to go to Thornton either, since we already had a lefty.)  with drew obviously unavailable, the bullpen was a little short, and we'd already used our long man (tanner), so trying to get as many innings as possible out of everyone was the most prudent way to go about it.

Wrong.  The first sign he was losing it was the deep fly out by Murphy. A left handed batter would never get that kind of contact against him if he was completely on.  He was lucky to make it out of that inning then the next inning came with a right handed batter who is very good against left handed pitchers  This time, the park couldn't hold the fly ball.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #497 on: August 01, 2015, 04:09:15 am »
FP is 100% right about this team and fundamentals.


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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #499 on: August 01, 2015, 06:12:49 am »
Wrong.  The first sign he was losing it was the deep fly out by Murphy. A left handed batter would never get that kind of contact against him if he was completely on.  He was lucky to make it out of that inning then the next inning came with a right handed batter who is very good against left handed pitchers  This time, the park couldn't hold the fly ball.

It's even more than that. Rivero had been used is a mop up guy for most of the past two months and then he's pitching the 10th and 11th inning. He had success so instead of taking the two good innings and moving on to Thornton or Janssen both 1 inning pitchers, so when the pitcher hit didn't matter, he left the kid in when he had pretty much pitched his limit. Williams has zero idea of how to develop a bullpen. There is plenty of talent being wasted because MW has no feel for pitching.