Author Topic: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2014) (Read 233673 times)

spidernat · « **Reply #1325 on:** July 26, 2014, 07:34:51 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 26, 2014, 06:54:40 pm

I was thinking the same thing. Except the punk part.

+1

nfotiu · « **Reply #1326 on:** July 26, 2014, 07:55:34 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on July 26, 2014, 07:06:37 pm

Yeah, how would you describe him? They can't trade him soon enough as far as I'm concerned. This is a guy who was raised on baseball, who has worshipped the game his whole life, and he has no baseball sense whatever. How does that happen. Is he just an idiot?

He needed a full year in the minors. A lot of these things would have been learned better in the minors. Hopefully someone in the organization is working with him in correcting some of these kind fundamentals (or maybe advanced fundamentals is the better term?). Both plays were not so much reckless, more like just not being conscious of where he should stop to be able to get back. He and the organization needs to accept that by bringing him up early to the majors there are some things he is going to have to learn up here on the job. I don't think he needs to be publicly called out, or benched, or any of that, but I sure hope, like Ray Knight says, that someone is sitting him down and telling him what he did wrong.

Dave B · « **Reply #1327 on:** July 26, 2014, 09:50:42 pm »

Quote from: nfotiu on July 26, 2014, 07:55:34 pm

He needed a full year in the minors. A lot of these things would have been learned better in the minors. Hopefully someone in the organization is working with him in correcting some of these kind fundamentals (or maybe advanced fundamentals is the better term?). Both plays were not so much reckless, more like just not being conscious of where he should stop to be able to get back. He and the organization needs to accept that by bringing him up early to the majors there are some things he is going to have to learn up here on the job. I don't think he needs to be publicly called out, or benched, or any of that, but I sure hope, like Ray Knight says, that someone is sitting him down and telling him what he did wrong.

There is such a thing as advanced fundamentals? I don't this could have been fixed in the minors. It is not like he is trying to read an nfl defensive coverage. There are like one or two variables he has to consider. His speed and other players arm strength. If that is too much to process, there isn't much hope. I suppose they could get that guy who wears the helmet near third base to give him advice on where to run. Maybe after he packs on another thirty pounds of muscle next off-season, he'll just do one base at a time

Slumpbuster · « **Reply #1328 on:** July 26, 2014, 09:53:14 pm »

Quote from: rileyn on July 26, 2014, 05:58:56 pm

Bryce's baserunning gaffes merit a benching. 2 games minimum. He has no feel for the game.

Both gaffes today were bad for diff. reasons......trying to score from 1st base on what looked like a sure gapper is one thing, but then he loafs it between 1st and 2nd going back. He would most certainly have been safe if he had busted his ass even a little bit ( didn't we already have this issue earlier in the season? )
The second one was just plain moronic! No game sense. Like a basketball player jacking up a three when his team is trying to run clock with a late game lead. It was like HE wanted the glory/thrill/satisfaction of taking the extra base.....no concern for what the team needed.
As some one else mentioned, I hope he is being sat down and talked to about the errors of his ways.

Oh yeah, he looks pretty lost at the plate too.

I would love for him to realize his massive potential and shut critics ( like me ) up!

Dave B · « **Reply #1329 on:** July 26, 2014, 09:58:13 pm »

Quote from: Slumpbuster on July 26, 2014, 09:53:14 pm

Both gaffes today were bad for diff. reasons......trying to score from 1st base on what looked like a sure gapper is one thing, but then he loafs it between 1st and 2nd going back. He would most certainly have been safe if he had busted his ass even a little bit ( didn't we already have this issue earlier in the season? )
The second one was just plain moronic! No game sense. Like a basketball player jacking up a three when his team is trying to run clock with a late game lead. It was like HE wanted the glory/thrill/satisfaction of taking the extra base.....no concern for what the team needed.
As some one else mentioned, I hope he is being sat down and talked to about the errors of his ways.

Oh yeah, he looks pretty lost at the plate too.

I would love for him to realize his massive potential and shut critics ( like me ) up!

If he was standing on second base and the rf didn't get to ramos' ball, he can probably still score. The ball was going to bounce high/around and the rf would have over ran it. Or you have 2nd and 3rd with no outs. No game sense on that one either

mmzznnxx · « **Reply #1330 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:02:24 pm »

Quote from: Slumpbuster on July 26, 2014, 09:53:14 pm

Both gaffes today were bad for diff. reasons......trying to score from 1st base on what looked like a sure gapper is one thing, but then he loafs it between 1st and 2nd going back. He would most certainly have been safe if he had busted his ass even a little bit ( didn't we already have this issue earlier in the season? )

My huge problem with this gaffe (and someone in the GDT hit it on the head, spider maybe?) is that it just didn't make sense to haul ass off the bat like he did. It looked like it was going to the gap but Bruce was close enough that he should have had some pause and floated somewhere in between first and second.

If Bruce doesn't catch it, with Harper's speed, he's still easily to third at least, with another runner second on 2B with no outs. I know we strand some runners terrible with guys on third, but at that point it opens up the sac fly, wild pitch, possible an RBI groundout, etc. You have to give your teammates the chance to get that in.

If he does catch it like he did, he would be close enough that he could get back to first. It's just a dumb decision. Scoring from first on a double with 0 outs just wasn't worth the risk of a double play if he catches it.

Slateman · « **Reply #1331 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:07:31 pm »

freaking piece of crap Harper can't freakingnhit homes lik a freakign lil kangaroo nag

mmzznnxx · « **Reply #1332 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:10:02 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 26, 2014, 10:07:31 pm

freaking piece of crap Harper can't freakingnhit homes lik a freakign lil kangaroo nag

Barkeep, I'll have what he's having.

mitlen · « **Reply #1333 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:12:04 pm »

Quote from: mmzznnxx on July 26, 2014, 10:10:02 pm

Barkeep, I'll have what he's having.

Kangaroo?

mmzznnxx · « **Reply #1334 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:17:02 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on July 26, 2014, 10:12:04 pm

Kangaroo?

I've actually heard it's good. Not sure I'd ever try it sober, but I heard it's pretty common down in Aussieland.

Hogie · « **Reply #1335 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:18:53 pm »

The guy is a bust.

Mr Clean · « **Reply #1336 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:19:58 pm »

Quote from: Hogie on July 26, 2014, 10:18:53 pm

The guy is a bust.

No. You are a bust. And a troll.

mitlen · « **Reply #1337 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:21:30 pm »

Quote from: mmzznnxx on July 26, 2014, 10:17:02 pm

I've actually heard it's good. Not sure I'd ever try it sober, but I heard it's pretty common down in Aussieland.

Tastes like chicken.

Mathguy · « **Reply #1338 on:** July 26, 2014, 10:28:40 pm »

Tastes like chicken

Quote from: mitlen on July 26, 2014, 10:12:04 pm

Kangaroo?

Slateman · « **Reply #1339 on:** July 27, 2014, 01:29:45 am »

Quote from: mitlen on July 26, 2014, 10:12:04 pm

Kangaroo?

C u n toledo

rileyn · « **Reply #1340 on:** July 27, 2014, 07:57:15 am »

Quote from: mmzznnxx on July 26, 2014, 10:02:24 pm

My huge problem with this gaffe (and someone in the GDT hit it on the head, spider maybe?) is that it just didn't make sense to haul ass off the bat like he did. It looked like it was going to the gap but Bruce was close enough that he should have had some pause and floated somewhere in between first and second.

If Bruce doesn't catch it, with Harper's speed, he's still easily to third at least, with another runner second on 2B with no outs. I know we strand some runners terrible with guys on third, but at that point it opens up the sac fly, wild pitch, possible an RBI groundout, etc. You have to give your teammates the chance to get that in.

If he does catch it like he did, he would be close enough that he could get back to first. It's just a dumb decision. Scoring from first on a double with 0 outs just wasn't worth the risk of a double play if he catches it.

The second baserunning error was far more egregious. I have no idea how he thought he could possibly make it to third on that play. It's as if he still thinks he is a 16 year old dominating weak competition, rather than a struggling player going against major leaguers so as accomplished as he is. He has to realize that soon, right? Right? Maybe not.

expofan · « **Reply #1341 on:** July 27, 2014, 09:12:01 am »

Is it time to put harp on the Top 10 Can't Miss Prospects Who Missed?

Slateman · « **Reply #1342 on:** July 27, 2014, 09:13:55 am »

100 ABs

Ray D · « **Reply #1343 on:** July 27, 2014, 09:47:21 am »

Quote from: rileyn on July 27, 2014, 07:57:15 am

The second baserunning error was far more egregious. I have no idea how he thought he could possibly make it to third on that play.

The third baseman had to charge in to make the play, so he assumed that third base would be uncovered.

I told my wife that he has half a brain, and that in his case that's more dangerous than no brain at all: he only thought it half way through, didn't think about the shortstop covering third. If he had either a full brain or no brain, he would have stayed at second. Half a brain got him thrown out at third.

Look at the replay, he didn't even look at third to see if it was covered.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1344 on:** July 27, 2014, 10:23:09 am »

Quote from: rileyn on July 27, 2014, 07:57:15 am

The second baserunning error was far more egregious. I have no idea how he thought he could possibly make it to third on that play. It's as if he still thinks he is a 16 year old dominating weak competition, rather than a struggling player going against major leaguers so as accomplished as he is. He has to realize that soon, right? Right? Maybe not.

I think Harper is probably going through the most humbling period of his career to this point. It will make him stronger in the long run.

More of #34 · « **Reply #1345 on:** July 27, 2014, 12:54:35 pm »

The first base-running "mistake" was understandable. The second was not. That's the long & short of it. I don't think Bryce is a "bust" or a "punk" - he's struggling. But his potential is still there - we just need it to start showing up NOW especially with Zim's absence.

MorseTheHorse · « **Reply #1346 on:** July 27, 2014, 02:25:34 pm »

Harper is doing everything possible to deserve getting sent down. Meanwhile, Souza is doing everything possible to deserve getting called up.

Slumpbuster · « **Reply #1347 on:** July 27, 2014, 02:28:43 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 27, 2014, 10:23:09 am

I think Harper is probably going through the most humbling period of his career to this point. It will make him stronger in the long run.

From your post to God's ear!

mmzznnxx · « **Reply #1348 on:** July 27, 2014, 02:37:14 pm »

Quote from: Slumpbuster on July 27, 2014, 02:28:43 pm

From your post to God's ear!

Quote from: God

Even I can't fix this mess.

BH34Natural · « **Reply #1349 on:** July 27, 2014, 05:56:33 pm »

Every single AB if he does not get a hit or walk, he changes his bat the very next AB. He is now changing his stance from AB to AB, not even game to game. I saw him try three different stances in the game today in Cincinnati. Old stance (he had recently tweaked his stance, two variations), a cross between old and new, and then new stance. Socks up, socks down, also changes sometimes during the game. Then I see last AB he ditched his batting gloves.

Dude you are thinking way too much. You will never hit this way, it will never work. Just slow down and play the game. I don't get why someone who has had baseball at the center of their universe since childhood would ever think that this amount of changing things from inning to inning is going to help. Just play the game, dumb it down and quit thinking so damn much. Honestly his immaturity really shows in these ways.