Washington Redskins thread (2013)

[Natsinpwc]

I think the players here in DC are always overated; perpetuated by all the media and the ex-players who tell us how great everyone is.  They have tried this coach and that and this coordinator and that one.  Has not worked so maybe the players are just not that good.  Coaching is important but so is having the players.  Look at Andy Reid; the personnel in Philly had gone downhill over his last few years; he didn;t just regain his genius overnight in KC.

More improtant that a coach they need someone making the right draft choices and other personnel decisions.

 

[HalfSmokes]

I don't think Lovie Smith is as bad as some seem to think but he needs a strong structure surrounding him. He will need a good GM and to assemble a great coaching staff. I think OC, DC and position coaches are crucial to long term success. One of our main issues has been not bringing in the right players but also not having the right staff to coach them.

As for Shanahan, maybe Snyder will learn an additional lesson over this. Don't forget that Shanahan was the big name he wanted when he first took over the Redskins. He was enamored with Shanahan after meeting him coming off two SB victories but when he took over he was not allowed to try to pluck him away from Denver due to the timing of the transfer and I don't think Pat Bowlen was willing to part ways with Shanahan at that time. When he finally got his way, ten years later, it blew up in his face.

I'm not really in favor of retreads and there is nothing about Lovie that screams great coach. Getting a figure head who relies on great coordinators harkens back to Gibbs II. Hopefully the lesson is that past performance is no guarantee of future success. I think the GM decision will be key, I know people say Allen is staying, but if he stays he either has to be in charge of personnel (something he might not be good at) , hire his own boss (I don't see that working) or have a coach with full control (you really need a great hire for that to work). AJ Smith is still on staff, he's not a people person, and he's had some disastrous moves (breese), but he also assembled a talented team in San Diego, maybe Allen to president, Smith to GM, but this just really sucks   

[mitlen]

As for Shanahan, maybe Snyder will learn an additional lesson over this. Don't forget that Shanahan was the big name he wanted when he first took over the Redskins. He was enamored with Shanahan after meeting him coming off two SB victories but when he took over he was not allowed to try to pluck him away from Denver due to the timing of the transfer and I don't think Pat Bowlen was willing to part ways with Shanahan at that time. When he finally got his way, ten years later, it blew up in his face.

This is close to the point I was trying to make earlier buy you nailed it.   Old Snyder  ...   New Snyder  ...   all of these head coaching positions have been his choices.    He was enamored with all of them.   How do you get Danny away from team operations?    That's the rub.    Who tells him he doesn't know crap about football?    Who has the gravitas to tell him, "If you wanna hang out with RGIII, that's fine.    While you're dating, tell RGIII to not bring that bull crap to the locker room.   By the way, don't you bring it to the locker room either."        I can only think of a few coaches with a pair like that.    Tuna, Cowher to name two.

[spidernat]

I'm not really in favor of retreads 

I agree with this. I'd love to luck into the next Joe Gibbs I.

AJ Smith is still on staff, he's not a people person, and he's had some disastrous moves (breese), but he also assembled a talented team in San Diego, maybe Allen to president, Smith to GM, but this just really sucks   

Didn't he fire Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season because they lost a close game to NE? And then dismantled the team.    The one thing they can do is keep him around for a couple of years and get rid of him before he freaks things up.    But his son has been a scout with the Redskins for several years. 

If Shanahan doesn't get his wish to get fired he may need to resort to the next level and start Cousins to ensure Snyder fires him. But if Cousins plays and fails miserably he will have freaked us all over again because Cousins' value will have plummeted.    He just said in his press conference that he will make the decision on who starts in 48 hours. 

[HalfSmokes]

Who tells him he doesn't know crap about football?   

the idea was that Shannahan knew what the freak he was doing, apparently he didn't. How many of his coaching hires have been so crazy that no other team would do it? Zorn and Gibbs II are all I can come up with, and Gibbs II. Marty was a hired again, so was Norv, Spurrier was the hot college coach- none of those hires was crazy. The crazy came in when he tried to play GM, and he didn't do that under shanahan 

[spidernat]

  How do you get Danny away from team operations? 

I've had a few ideas over the years but they're illegal.   

Shanahan was asked if he wants to come back and he refused to answer. You can tell he's very uncomfortable with the whole thing.

[mitlen]

  He just said in his press conference that he will make the decision on who starts in 48 hours. 

Danny and Shanny in a pissin' contest.    Damn drama queens and the fans/team suffer.

[HalfSmokes]

I've had a few ideas over the years but they're illegal.   

Shanahan was asked if he wants to come back and he refused to answer. You can tell he's very uncomfortable with the whole thing.

3-10, 24-36 over all- he should be uncomfortable - it's entirely possible he leaves here with a worse winning percentage than Zorn

[spidernat]

The good thing about benching Griffin now is that Shanahan will not be back so it won't turn Griffin off from staying in DC.

[spidernat]

Yesterday Niles Paul threw nameless players under the bus. Today Mike Shanahan tied Niles Paul to the road and drove the bus over him. 

[PC]

Brian Mitchell is wrong about him not starting Griffin.  Before, if Shanahan said Griffin would continue to play, was before he got sacked six times yesterday.  It's clear that whoever plays quarterback for this team is going to take a beating because this offensive line is terrible.  In this case, it makes perfect sense to not start Griffin for the rest of the season.

[PC]

Brian Mitchell is so full of crap.

[mitlen]

Brian Mitchell is so full of crap.

More than any town I've ever been in, DC has more full of crap ex-players than your average town.    The media is so excited to attach their brand to the 'skins that folks like Mitchell, McGee, Manley, Smoot, etc. have jobs.

[spidernat]

Smoot gets work from ESPN and is absolutely horrible.    But they also have Ray Lewis and he offers absolutely nothing.

[UMDNats]

99% of espn analysts offer nothing

[madj55]

The only thing these former players can do is revisit their glory days, crap gets old after the first couple of times. I hate how in every comment Ray Lewis makes he has to bring up his playing days. Same with the Mets broadcast booth bringing up the 86 Mets literally every game they televise.

[HalfSmokes]

The only thing these former players can do is revisit their glory days, crap gets old after the first couple of times. I hate how in every comment Ray Lewis makes he has to bring up his playing days. Same with the Mets broadcast booth bringing up the 86 Mets literally every game they televise.

don't forget embarrassing their alma mater with their tenuous grasp of the english language

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

We've heard a fair bit over the years about the '86 Mets from our own broadcast team. 

The only thing these former players can do is revisit their glory days, crap gets old after the first couple of times. I hate how in every comment Ray Lewis makes he has to bring up his playing days. Same with the Mets broadcast booth bringing up the 86 Mets literally every game they televise.

[spidernat]

don't forget embarrassing their alma mater with their tenuous grasp of the english language

  Absolutely. Most of these guys are complete morons but they can be football smart. Some people don't seem to know the difference.

Shanahan said he needs to talk to Snyder about benching Griffin for the final three games.

[spidernat]

http://www.coachshea.com/Terry_Sheas_QB_Score/Home.html   The next head coach? 

[Terpfan76]

  Absolutely. Most of these guys are complete morons but they can be football smart. Some people don't seem to know the difference.

Shanahan said he needs to talk to Snyder about benching Griffin for the final three games.

How has Cooley done on the radio? I don't ever hear it, just wondering.

[spidernat]

How has Cooley done on the radio? I don't ever hear it, just wondering.

He's really good. It helps that he was recently a player and knows the staff and system very well. That gives him insight others don't have. I guess that could change when they bring in the new coach.

[mitlen]

Smoot gets work from ESPN and is absolutely horrible.    But they also have Ray Lewis and he offers absolutely nothing.

Ray Lewis and the woman formally married to Ted Turner are in the same boat.    They come on.   I leave.

[HalfSmokes]

How has Cooley done on the radio? I don't ever hear it, just wondering.

best radio guy in the city right now. His breakdowns are much deeper (and far better) than anyone else. He doesn't fall into cliche and he calls the other guys on it. The only bad part of the show is Al Galdi, which is disappointing because I think he did a good job on his own when he had a saturday morning show.

[spidernat]

That other dude (Czabe) is awful too.