Washington Redskins thread (2013)

[Smithian]

I hope RGIII becomes everything he can be, but you gotta wonder if the "let me be me" Griffin would be willing to do that, or if he'd just run to Danny.

I think RGIII acted like a jackass this past offseason. I am going to assume he learns from that, but if he doesn't then next time around the coach won't be the piece of the puzzle being replaced.

[spidernat]

Has there ever been a QB who actually learned to read progressions and become a pocket passer while starting in the NFL?

All the good ones have had to learn to read progressions to a degree. It's just that, because of the systems they come from, Griffin has more to learn.

[spidernat]

No coach will ask RGIII to become a pocket passer.

 

[HalfSmokes]

This season has sucked for everyone and the offense is broken. The players have quit. Can't write a book about any player from this season alone. No coach will ask RGIII to become a pocket passer. He'll always be an athletic guy who can win a game with his legs. He has to improve from the pocket, but he doesn't have to live there. That is understood.

And yes, a lot of quarterbacks have improved from year 2 to 3. It is crazy to act like any player will stop developing after their second season.

there is a difference between developing (i.e. improving on skills one already possesses) and learning a completely new aspect of the system. As far as him winning games on his legs, he's 6-2 223 with an acl knee that has already been torn twice- if he's having to win games on his legs, he better do it soon because he's not going to have a long career

[mitlen]

And yes, a lot of quarterbacks have improved from year 2 to 3. It is crazy to act like any player will stop developing after their second season.

You're right.

Terry Bradshaw  ...   Joe Gilliam and Terry Hanratty and Chuck Noll challenged him until his 4th or 5th year.   He turned out OK.   RGIII will be fine.   

Of course the 'skins may need a couple of good drafts and the picks are gone.   It helped him immeasurably to have Swann and Stallworth in the '74 draft.

[Smithian]

You're right.

Terry Bradshaw  ...   Joe Gilliam and Terry Hanratty and Chuck Noll challenged him until his 4th or 5th year.   He turned out OK.   RGIII will be fine.   

Of course the 'skins may need a couple of good drafts and the picks are gone.   It helped him immeasurably to have Swann and Stallworth in the '74 draft.

If the Redskins are smart they can add talent. This past draft they still added contributors in Reed and Amerson and some decent young guys in Rambo and Jenkins. Phillip Thomas may be something but he is out for season. The RGIII draft, aside from Morris/Cousins, was bad after the first.

Hopefully the '14 draft is more like the '13 one and then in '15 it is back to normal.

[mitlen]

"At the end of the day" must be the operative phrase today.

[HalfSmokes]

If the Redskins are smart they can add talent. This past draft they still added contributors in Reed and Amerson and some decent young guys in Rambo and Jenkins. Phillip Thomas may be something but he is out for season. The RGIII draft, aside from Morris/Cousins, was bad after the first.

Hopefully the '14 draft is more like the '13 one and then in '15 it is back to normal.

most terrible teams don't count adding a couple of players per draft as a good thing. The 2010 draft yielded one player who is currently starting. 2011 was great, we got 4 starters, but, on a decent team, are Gomes or Jenkins actually starting?, 2012, 2 starters, 2013, 2 starters (assuming Reed is ever healthy). The guys who are starting may be great, but considering the void of talent on the team, the fact that more guys from those drafts aren't starting makes me very glad that Shanny has had his last draft with the skins.

[spidernat]

and some decent young guys in Rambo and Jenkins.

It remains to be seen with Rambo. Right now it doesn't look like he can tackle. As for Jenkins, how do you know? He's only been active 4 games and hardly ever got on the field. Didn't have a single tackle and he was so undisciplined in pass rush that he was sent back to the inactive list.

[Terpfan76]

  Definitely. I think he's waiting for Lovie Smith to be hired to come troll the freak out of us.

He Trolls me by text... jerk

[spidernat]

He Trolls me by text... jerk

Wallflower trolling is for the weak. 

[Terpfan76]

I think it's clear that Griffin regressed. I hoped that he'd find his groove as the season moved along but it's become more and more evident, all the off season work, practice and preseason action he missed was huge. I'm actually not against shutting him down. With the way the line has played and the way he has played, he may be better off shutting it down, ending the year healthy and coming back better prepared and without the knee brace.

[Terpfan76]

Wallflower trolling is for the weak. 

Honestly, I almost wonder if he's become sympathetic to our plight. He knows "Klanahan" is gone and Rex more than likely is as well. He'll have little to hate about the "Landover Foreskins". sigh

[HalfSmokes]

I think it's clear that Griffin regressed. I hoped that he'd find his groove as the season moved along but it's become more and more evident, all the off season work, practice and preseason action he missed was huge. I'm actually not against shutting him down. With the way the line has played and the way he has played, he may be better off shutting it down, ending the year healthy and coming back better prepared and without the knee brace.

you're probably right. Hopefuly cousins doesn't play well enough to start a qb controversy because that's the last thing this team needs at this point

[Terpfan76]

you're probably right. Hopefuly cousins doesn't play well enough to start a qb controversy because that's the last thing this team needs at this point

But if he does play real well, he becomes more valuable as a trade chip. Catch 22 I guess. If he does play well, I trade him and draft another developmental qb.

[GburgNatsFan]

I hope Cousins plays like a man on fire and we have a full blown problem picking which is the better QB.  Competition breeds success.

[HalfSmokes]

It's supposedly a rich QB draft, throw in a new coach or GM who may want to see what they have and he may not be tradable. As far as competition, the old 'if you have two quarterbacks, you have none' comes to mind

[spidernat]

Honestly, I almost wonder if he's become sympathetic to our plight.

He knows "Klanahan" is gone .

[mitlen]

Really interesting conversation with Vinny Cerrato/Arrington and Dukes on 106.7.

[mmzznnxx]

Really interesting conversation with Vinny Cerrato/Arrington and Dukes on 106.7.

Unless it was the three of them having a joint press conference to announce the three of them going to live in silence and seclusion until the rest of time, not interested in what they're selling.

[mitlen]

Unless it was the three of them having a joint press conference to announce the three of them going to live in silence and seclusion until the rest of time, not interested in what they're selling.

I don't have the history with them but they covered a lot of turf.    As an outsider (my disclaimer), I enjoyed the history lesson.    One of the things I found interesting was Vinny's comment that if the lawyers could have found a hole in the contract, Shanny would have been gone Monday as the coach/GM.    Vinny firmly believed Shanny was gone but he would have gotten money.    He has an ironclad contract.   I was also surprised by LaVar's comment that he wasn't a fan of Gibbs.    Whatever his reasons are, that's almost sacrilegious in this town.   All in all, it was a pretty blunt discussion.

[HalfSmokes]

LaVar and Gibbs is pretty public here- he actually bought out his own contract to get away.

[mitlen]

LaVar and Gibbs is pretty public here- he actually bought out his own contract to get away.

I"m in the area but I don't remember/follow the details.   I was probably wondering why the Steelers don't dump Stewart.       Is that how he ended up in NY?

[HalfSmokes]

That's how he ended up in NY?

yep, he cut a $4 million dollar check to the skins

[Slateman]

Yea, LaVar wanted out. Bad. He also had a failing restaurant in the area. Arrington thought Gibbs was a coward for quitting the way he did. Between that and his conflicts with Greg Williams, Arrington paid the Skins 4+ million to be a free agent.

2001-2003, Lavar was a monster on the field. Too bad. I always felt that after the Skins signed Trotter and Armstead, they should have gone to a 3-4