Author Topic: 2011 Trade Watch (was trade deadline watch) (Read 86055 times)

Morse Code 38 · « **Reply #1025 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:28:30 pm »

Quote from: NatsSince05 on July 30, 2011, 01:25:22 pm

I don't want to trade Clippard because I think he could help us get to the playoffs next season. Seriously. But if I have to choose between him and Storen, I choose Clippard. But I really think it's stupid to trade either of these guys; the available center fielders are not simply not good enough to justify it.

Then you are crazy. Because any of the CFs being discussed (Bourn, Span, Upton) will be of far more help to us making the playoffs next year than will Clippard and Shark.

If we can get any of those guys w/o giving up Storen, we should do it. If we get Span straight up for Storen, we should do it.

RD · « **Reply #1026 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:29:28 pm »

Bourn and Span are worth set up men. Not a very good closer.

Id part with Clippard for either, but I can't imagine Houston would want Clippard, so that doesn't really match up for Bourn.

We should be ok in terms of set up men next year. Matheus is pitching really well, and Kimball should return. Rodriguez is up and down, but he's had some good games and should continue to develop. We could bring in a veteran in the off season.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #1027 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:31:19 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on July 30, 2011, 01:23:09 pm

Last of Boolean Lollipop's three new tweets (see replies #1011 #1012):

It is possible that RHP Tyler Clippard and CF Roger Bernadina could be part of a deal to get a center fielder.

This is a steal for us. A good reliever and a backup OF for a solid starting position player is a trade that needs to made. We can sign antoher good reliever and backup OF after the season. Starters are much harder to get. I don't think there even are any starting caliber CF free agents after the season.

houston-nat · « **Reply #1028 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:33:48 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on July 30, 2011, 01:31:19 pm

This is a steal for us. A good reliever and a backup OF for a solid starting position player is a trade that needs to made. We can sign antoher good reliever and backup OF after the season. Starters are much harder to get. I don't think there even are any starting caliber CF free agents after the season.

No, there aren't; DeJesus has collapsed this year for some reason. The other free agent CF is Coco Crisp.

kirubel94 · « **Reply #1029 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:40:59 pm »

Wow, Maya has been getting annihilated lately in AAA, lets hang on to marquis for atleast one more night.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #1030 on:** July 30, 2011, 01:51:46 pm »

Why can't Detwiler start instead? I actually like him.

spidernat · « **Reply #1031 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:13:39 pm »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on July 30, 2011, 01:51:46 pm

Why can't Detwiler start instead? I actually like him.

(channeling MDS) Because he sucks anii.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1032 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:16:26 pm »

This is a great trade (Hairston), and Bixler has been hitting his ass off in AAA. The Maya thing is probably due to whose day is when.

comish4lif · « **Reply #1033 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:17:44 pm »

Quote from: Smithian on July 30, 2011, 12:42:51 pm

Wouldn't mind seeing Werth play a little CF until another CFer arrives. Maybe it would wake him up.

Nix in Left, Werth in Center and Gomes in RF. Ha! At least Werth would not get bored covering 70% of the OF.

spidernat · « **Reply #1034 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:19:10 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on July 30, 2011, 02:16:26 pm

This is a great trade (Hairston), and Bixler has been hitting his ass off in AAA. The Maya thing is probably due to whose day is when.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1035 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:21:50 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on July 30, 2011, 02:19:10 pm

Go screw yourself - which part of that is anything but level-headed?

RAWR MAYA RAWR is I guess the only acceptable statement.

Nathan · « **Reply #1036 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:23:45 pm »

MAYA

houston-nat · « **Reply #1037 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:24:55 pm »

Maya should go back to winter ball and pitch on December 21, 2012.

Slateman · « **Reply #1038 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:35:41 pm »

I'm still not sure why Rizzo is so detirmined to get Span. Looking at the Pence deal, we could get Bourn for a couple minor leaguers and keep Clippard.

PC · « **Reply #1039 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:39:48 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 30, 2011, 02:35:41 pm

I'm still not sure why Rizzo is so detirmined to get Span. Looking at the Pence deal, we could get Bourn for a couple minor leaguers and keep Clippard.

The Astros want to make up for what they didn't get for Pence by robbing us to get Bourn.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1040 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:40:59 pm »

Quote from: PC on July 30, 2011, 02:39:48 pm

The Astros want to make up for what they didn't get for Pence by robbing us to get Bourn.

This. Also, Bourn is much more cost controlled, which the new Astros regime likes.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1041 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:43:18 pm »

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612163.html

Edited by Mod to reflect a quote, not the poster's own words.

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Komatsu's best attribute is his plate discipline, which is among the best in the minors. He's collected more walks than strikeouts this year, showing the ability to work deep counts and lay off pitches outside the zone. His quick, line-drive swing and advanced approach at the plate help him hit for a high average and get on base at a strong clip. He ranks fifth in the Southern League in walks (53) and on-base percentage (.393). The questions for Komatsu are the typical tweener profile issues: Will his defense be enough for center field, and will he have enough power for a corner outfield spot? His speed is a tick above-average and he gets good jumps off the bat, but he doesn't have the pure range to stack up against most regular big league center fielders. At 5-foot-10, Komatsu has below-average power, a difficult tool to live with from a corner outfielder and a reason why his OBP could take a tumble as more advanced pitchers attack him with greater aggression. Still, the Nationals did well to turn Hairston into a player with some on-base skills who will almost certainly be a big leaguer in some capacity, though his ultimate role might be as a solid backup.

zoom · « **Reply #1042 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:43:32 pm »

With the question marks in the rotation, this year, (Strasburg, Zimnn, Wang, Milone and Peacock) would it be wise to keep Marquis until the waiver wire deadline and do a deal then? If Wang gets reinjured, Stras is not ready, JZimnn is shutdown, Milone and Peacock are not 'rushed', then we are very thin at SP.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #1043 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:46:03 pm »

If Maya pitches tonight I'm going decked out in Mets gear.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #1044 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:48:23 pm »

Quote from: sportsnyan882 on July 30, 2011, 02:43:18 pm

Komatsu's best attribute is his plate discipline, which is among the best in the minors. He's collected more walks than strikeouts this year, showing the ability to work deep counts and lay off pitches outside the zone. His quick, line-drive swing and advanced approach at the plate help him hit for a high average and get on base at a strong clip. He ranks fifth in the Southern League in walks (53) and on-base percentage (.393). The questions for Komatsu are the typical tweener profile issues: Will his defense be enough for center field, and will he have enough power for a corner outfield spot? His speed is a tick above-average and he gets good jumps off the bat, but he doesn't have the pure range to stack up against most regular big league center fielders. At 5-foot-10, Komatsu has below-average power, a difficult tool to live with from a corner outfielder and a reason why his OBP could take a tumble as more advanced pitchers attack him with greater aggression. Still, the Nationals did well to turn Hairston into a player with some on-base skills who will almost certainly be a big leaguer in some capacity, though his ultimate role might be as a solid backup.

Did you write this? If so, one of your best posts in a while.

Slateman · « **Reply #1045 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:49:17 pm »

Robbing? Ill admit the Astros didn't get as much as they could, but they got two Top 50 prospects and a possible number 4 starter.

Komaysu sounds like a leadoff hitter to me

Frau Mau · « **Reply #1046 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:51:35 pm »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on July 30, 2011, 02:48:23 pm

Did you write this? If so, one of your best posts in a while.

I was impressed, too.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #1047 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:52:45 pm »

Quote from: PC on July 30, 2011, 02:39:48 pm

The Astros want to make up for what they didn't get for Pence by robbing us to get Bourn.

Yeah I actually think that the Astros "won" that deal. They got two top 50 prospects for Pence, who while I love him, is pretty overrated. He's good, but he's never gonna be a star.

Kevrock · « **Reply #1048 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:53:44 pm »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on July 30, 2011, 02:48:23 pm

Did you write this? If so, one of your best posts in a while.

No, he didn't. That was Baseball America's take on the trade.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612163.html

houston-nat · « **Reply #1049 on:** July 30, 2011, 02:55:02 pm »

Quote from: PC on July 30, 2011, 02:39:48 pm

The Astros want to make up for what they didn't get for Pence by robbing us to get Bourn.

The Astros got a lot for Pence. Those guys are the 2 top Astros prospects instantly. If we traded the same package it would be Peacock and Norris, plus filler.