Author Topic: 2011 Trade Watch (was trade deadline watch) (Read 85423 times)

PC · « **Reply #200 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:05:00 pm »

Look at Upton's numbers before you scoff at wanting to trade <fill in the blank> for him.

Upton's numbers just scream, "I'M A BUM!"...not much better than the bum you already have that, by definition, you don't have to give up anything to keep.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #201 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:05:26 pm »

I like that were on the same page.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #202 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:10:41 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on July 26, 2011, 02:03:15 pm

got ya. i will say he's pitched well for us this year in the limited innings.

linty would you do desmond and detwiler (and maybe a B/C low prospect) for upton?

For Span, yes... Upton, I guess.

Evolution33 · « **Reply #203 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:11:24 pm »

Which colored line is the best colored line? Have to look at all graphs to make informed decision.

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?playerid2=9893&playerid3=5015&playerid4=8347&playerid5=6387

PC · « **Reply #204 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:12:11 pm »

I keep hearing the mediots describing the pitchers the Nationals might trade as "not a difference maker".

BJ Upton is the dictionary definition of "not a difference maker".

kirubel94 · « **Reply #205 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:14:06 pm »

If they dont want to give up detwiter +peacock for upton, they are probably hoping out for rasmus.

spidernat · « **Reply #206 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:15:24 pm »

Quote from: PC on July 26, 2011, 02:12:11 pm

I keep hearing the mediots describing the pitchers the Nationals might trade as "not a difference maker".

BJ Upton is the dictionary definition of "not a difference maker".

tomterp · « **Reply #207 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:18:54 pm »

Quote from: IronPig on July 26, 2011, 01:15:13 pm

Raked? You have to look where a guy played. He was protected in that lineup last year.

Some believe that "protection" is important, but there's scant statistical proof that it counts for anything. Adrian Gonzalez certainly had little trouble compiling impressive totals playing in a pitchers' park with no lineup around him, as a contrary example.

It sort of makes anecdotal sense that a pitcher may choose to pitch around a tough hitter in a weak lineup - we see Livan pitch around guys all the time - but getting pitched around hardly diminishes some offensive stats, in fact it would increase BB's and thus OPB and OPS correspondingly.

Personally I think that the concept of protection has some modest value but is greatly overestimated generally. Certainly nothing strong enough to explain Werth's collapse this season.

Evolution33 · « **Reply #208 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:21:00 pm »

I don't understand why people would be willing to see their team give up the farm for a player that might have already peaked and looks to be having a second disapointing season in a row while they don't want their team to give up virtually nothing for a very comparable to player that is a salary dump.

Slateman · « **Reply #209 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:33:39 pm »

http://www.freep.com/article/20110726/SPORTS02/110726039/Mike-Ilitch-would-extremely-disappointed-Tigers-miss-playoffs?odyssey=tab

Tigers expect to make the playoffs.

Tigers need pitching

Evolution33 · « **Reply #210 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:37:09 pm »

Marquis for Furbush. Next year's rotation Strasburg, Zimmermann, Peacock, Wang, Furbush.

Nathan · « **Reply #211 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:38:36 pm »

Quote from: Evolution33 on July 26, 2011, 02:37:09 pm

Marquis for Furbush. Next year's rotation Strasburg, Zimmermann, Peacock, Wang, Furbush.

Is he any good or do you just want to have a Wang and a Furbush in the same rotation?

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #212 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:40:56 pm »

Quote from: Evolution33 on July 26, 2011, 02:37:09 pm

Marquis for Furbush. Next year's rotation Strasburg, Zimmermann, Peacock, Wang, Furbush.

The Tigers wouldn't do that and anyways Furbush has sucked in two starts with Detroit this season (7 ER in 7.1 IP).

Slateman · « **Reply #213 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:41:07 pm »

Quote from: Nathan on July 26, 2011, 02:38:36 pm

Is he any good or do you just want to have a Wang and a Furbush in the same rotation?

Evolution33 · « **Reply #214 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:41:54 pm »

Quote from: Nathan on July 26, 2011, 02:38:36 pm

Is he any good or do you just want to have a Wang and a Furbush in the same rotation?

A bit of both. He has been better as a reliever than as a starter this year in the majors, but his numbers at AAA are good as a starter and he is left handed.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=furbus001cha

kirubel94 · « **Reply #215 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:47:31 pm »

how about peacock + Detwiler + desmond for Upton and Wade Davis?

NatsSince05 · « **Reply #216 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:49:11 pm »

Not trading Detwiler for Upton would be insane. But again, we have Matt Stairs on our roster, so anything is possible.

daveb32 · « **Reply #217 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:50:26 pm »

Quote from: kirubel94 on July 26, 2011, 02:47:31 pm

how about peacock + Detwiler + desmond for Upton and Wade Davis?

HA. I wouldn't even do that for Wade Davis straight up if I was TB.

IronPig · « **Reply #218 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:56:50 pm »

Quote from: Evolution33 on July 26, 2011, 02:37:09 pm

Marquis for Furbush. Next year's rotation Strasburg, Zimmermann, Peacock, Wang, Furbush.

And logically, where do you see that rotation stacking up in the NL? As in, top 10? Give or take - is that a goal rotation, or what you feel would be the best they can put out there

panthers30 · « **Reply #219 on:** July 26, 2011, 03:01:02 pm »

Quote from: IronPig on July 26, 2011, 02:56:50 pm

And logically, where do you see that rotation stacking up in the NL? As in, top 10? Give or take - is that a goal rotation, or what you feel would be the best they can put out there

If Strasburg comes back healthy and Zimmermann can replicate his numbers from this year, we'll have two legitimate aces. We may not have be on par with the Giants/Phillies/Braves(no one is), but it'll be the best we've ever seen here.

Evolution33 · « **Reply #220 on:** July 26, 2011, 03:02:48 pm »

Quote from: IronPig on July 26, 2011, 02:56:50 pm

And logically, where do you see that rotation stacking up in the NL? As in, top 10? Give or take - is that a goal rotation, or what you feel would be the best they can put out there

My non penis and vagina joke rotation is Strasburg, Wilson, Zimmermann, Lannan, *

*see how Wang does in the last two months and if it is good offer him a contract for next year also find a way to give Peacock and Milone a look in September or before and if they look good have Milone, Peacock, and Wang fight it out for the last spot. Or just sign Edwin Jackson who Rizzo reportedly has a hard-on for.

IronPig · « **Reply #221 on:** July 26, 2011, 03:12:29 pm »

Quote from: panthers30 on July 26, 2011, 03:01:02 pm

If Strasburg comes back healthy and Zimmermann can replicate his numbers from this year, we'll have two legitimate aces. We may not have be on par with the Giants/Phillies/Braves(no one is), but it'll be the best we've ever seen here.

There is a ton of "if" in that statement.

Not trying to turn it into a "RAWRZ NOT AS GOOD AS THE PHILZ" pissing contest, but as A Phillies fan, i can see that as a "potential" top 5 rotation (assuming CC Sabathia doesnt come to the NL)

But as I said, there is a ton of "if" in that - something to look forward to, thats for sure.

Kevrock · « **Reply #222 on:** July 26, 2011, 03:22:33 pm »

Quote from: IronPig on July 26, 2011, 03:12:29 pm

There is a ton of "if" in that statement.

Not really.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #223 on:** July 26, 2011, 03:24:17 pm »

make a deal

Frau Mau · « **Reply #224 on:** July 26, 2011, 03:26:02 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on July 26, 2011, 03:24:17 pm

make a deal
make a deal
make a deal

Careful, you're going to get dizzy!