Author Topic: 2012 free agency (Read 44312 times)

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #725 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:03:57 am »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on October 08, 2011, 09:59:09 am

Boston thought they had starters and Texas's tv contract wasn't settled yet- different situations

So now that Texas has the TV contract do they keep CJ?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #726 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:05:51 am »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on October 08, 2011, 10:03:57 am

So now that Texas has the TV contract do they keep CJ?

They'll be bidding- they went from verge of insolvency to new ownership and now the have a deal that is supposedly one of the richest in baseball

hammondsnats · « **Reply #727 on:** October 08, 2011, 04:18:27 pm »

buster olney says he thinks the reds would listen to offers for joey votto.

that would be sick if we could scoop him, but there's no chance in hell it would happen.

spidernat · « **Reply #728 on:** October 08, 2011, 04:22:48 pm »

hammondsnats · « **Reply #729 on:** October 08, 2011, 04:23:15 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on October 08, 2011, 04:22:48 pm

lol

Slateman · « **Reply #730 on:** October 08, 2011, 06:29:45 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on October 08, 2011, 04:18:27 pm

buster olney says he thinks the reds would listen to offers for joey votto.

that would be sick if we could scoop him, but there's no chance in hell it would happen.

Yea but we don't have the horses in the stable to make a trade. Not without giving up r

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #731 on:** October 08, 2011, 06:40:26 pm »

Boston's losing and the Texas TV contract shouldn't force us into giving that much money to a second-tier starter. Cliff Lee had the Yankees and some other big market teams coming after him and even he didn't get that much.

Honestly, I wouldn't even give him half the money you suggested he'd command. I'd rather sign Buerhle or Jackson for $30 mil than Wilson for $80 mil. Then go after a front line gut like Greinke the following year. If we give Wilson $100 mil+ this offseason, there is no way we're in the market for other, likely better, possibly much better pitchers down the road.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #732 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:24:33 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 08, 2011, 06:40:26 pm

Boston's losing and the Texas TV contract shouldn't force us into giving that much money to a second-tier starter. Cliff Lee had the Yankees and some other big market teams coming after him and even he didn't get that much.

Honestly, I wouldn't even give him half the money you suggested he'd command. I'd rather sign Buerhle or Jackson for $30 mil than Wilson for $80 mil. Then go after a front line gut like Greinke the following year. If we give Wilson $100 mil+ this offseason, there is no way we're in the market for other, likely better, possibly much better pitchers down the road.

no salary cap dude

spidernat · « **Reply #733 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:35:17 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 08, 2011, 06:40:26 pm

Then go after a front line gut like Greinke the following year. .

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #734 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:42:55 pm »

Ha. Why the rolling eyes smiley?

The problem the Cubs and Mets have is that they gave out gigantic contracts to too many second or third tier players. Unless we can spend like the Red Sox or Yankees, we need to avoid that - it's pretty much a death sentence to any team that can't spend like that.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #735 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:44:22 pm »

I wonder what will happen if Pujols signs with the dreaded Cubs for 10 years $300 million.

Vega · « **Reply #736 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:46:49 pm »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on October 08, 2011, 07:44:22 pm

I wonder what will happen if Pujols signs with the dreaded Cubs for 10 years $300 million.

He'll toil on a horrid franchise for the rest of his career while St. Louis wins a championship or two without him.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #737 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:50:46 pm »

Quote from: Vega on October 08, 2011, 07:46:49 pm

He'll toil on a horrid franchise...

Too funny.

Slateman · « **Reply #738 on:** October 08, 2011, 08:06:17 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 08, 2011, 07:42:55 pm

Ha. Why the rolling eyes smiley?

The problem the Cubs and Mets have is that they gave out gigantic contracts to too many second or third tier players. Unless we can spend like the Red Sox or Yankees, we need to avoid that - it's pretty much a death sentence to any team that can't spend like that.

Pretty much this.

Mr Clean · « **Reply #739 on:** October 08, 2011, 08:22:10 pm »

Votto? That means the Filthies will get him.

comish4lif · « **Reply #740 on:** October 08, 2011, 08:41:18 pm »

Quote from: Mr Clean on October 08, 2011, 08:22:10 pm

Votto? That means the Filthies will get him.

They might, that guy Ryan Howard has an achilles problem. He was slow when he was healthy, I cannot imagine that moose coming back as good as before.

Slateman · « **Reply #741 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:38:17 pm »

Quote from: Mr Clean on October 08, 2011, 08:22:10 pm

Votto? That means the Filthies will get him.

What do they have to trade with?

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #742 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:15:48 pm »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/what-the-washington-nationals-can-learn-from-the-philadelphia-phillies-mistakes/2011/10/08/gIQASzYNWL_story.html

Boz on why we shouldn't bid on the $100 mil guys this offseason. Also slurps a bit on Rizzo.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #743 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:40:04 pm »

Phillies mistakes? Who just won the NL East the last five years?

imref · « **Reply #744 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:41:37 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on October 08, 2011, 10:40:04 pm

Phillies mistakes? Who just won the NL East the last five years?

probably not the best headline, but I see his point. I've said this before but I'd much rather be Tampa or Atlanta than NY.

spidernat · « **Reply #745 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:43:18 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 08, 2011, 10:15:48 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/what-the-washington-nationals-can-learn-from-the-philadelphia-phillies-mistakes/2011/10/08/gIQASzYNWL_story.html

Boz on why we shouldn't bid on the $100 mil guys this offseason. Also slurps a bit on Rizzo.

PANatFan: "Boz administering another does of sanity

But I reserve the right to pull out my usual card if he says anything remotely negative about daddy Lerner."

spidernat · « **Reply #746 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:45:07 pm »

Quote from: imref on October 08, 2011, 10:41:37 pm

probably not the best headline, but I see his point. I've said this before but I'd much rather be Tampa or Atlanta than NY.

You prefer 1 WS title or 0 WS title over 6 WS titles over the last 15 years or so?

Vega · « **Reply #747 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:46:45 pm »

I wouldn't say that the Phillies have made mistakes as much as they've made gambles. They've bet everything on these few years in which their core players are still in their prime, sacrificing their future to do so. It's a massive risk designed solely to win World Series, and because of that, it can be considered a failure because they haven't won a Series since acquiring Halladay and company.

imref · « **Reply #748 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:58:21 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on October 08, 2011, 10:45:07 pm

You prefer 1 WS title or 0 WS title over 6 WS titles over the last 15 years or so?

I don't want to be a team that's constantly overpaying for high priced vets, getting stuck with huge contracts, and failing to win the WS. I want to see a team that builds up players from within and augments the core with a few free agents as needed.

For all the Yankees have spent over the last 10 years, they've won just one WS in that time.

PC · « **Reply #749 on:** October 08, 2011, 11:02:35 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 08, 2011, 10:15:48 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/what-the-washington-nationals-can-learn-from-the-philadelphia-phillies-mistakes/2011/10/08/gIQASzYNWL_story.html

Quote

When the Nats won eight of their last 10 games against the Phils, it seemed fluky, especially the last four with the Phils coasting after clinching. And ’12 still seems too soon for a showdown. But, for the first time, you can circle ’13, when Strasburg is off an innings limit and Harper may arrive, and claim it’s just as plausible as ’14 for a collision between these franchises.

In other words, we'll contend in two years...