Author Topic: 2012 free agency (Read 44309 times)

Evolution33 · « **Reply #700 on:** October 06, 2011, 06:26:05 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on October 06, 2011, 05:16:19 pm

um, that's his current deal, he's not opting out to make less

You have to look at it right now as a four year deal worth $23 million each season for the rest of it. So just under $100 million left on the deal. He is two years younger than Cliff Lee and should be able to at least match his deal or better it which would end up paying him more than what he is currently earning.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #701 on:** October 06, 2011, 07:55:54 pm »

Quote from: Evolution33 on October 06, 2011, 06:26:05 pm

You have to look at it right now as a four year deal worth $23 million each season for the rest of it. So just under $100 million left on the deal. He is two years younger than Cliff Lee and should be able to at least match his deal or better it which would end up paying him more than what he is currently earning.

I totally agree, I think that pretty much precludes us

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #702 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:29:47 pm »

CC is not leaving the Yankees. No way they let him get away.

RD · « **Reply #703 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:59:32 pm »

CC in a Nats uniform would be nice, but its going to be too expensive.

I would love it if someone snuck in and grabbed CC early. Force the Yanks to throw $120mill at CJ Wilson and 5/75 at Edwin Jackson, just to try and salvage a pitching staff. Although I imagine they would get heavily into some type of trade talk with the kids they have coming through the system. Still, the Yanks without CC aren't winning anything, with the stuff that's available this off season.

zimm_da_kid · « **Reply #704 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:46:08 pm »

If the nats threw $126 million at werth I think they can throw $145million at cc. Also I believe his agent is boras so he will have cc wait it out for the best offer and will probably try to pitch the idea of signing cc to the nats knowing that we have deep pockets, his relationship with rizzo, and a desire for an ace.

imref · « **Reply #705 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:55:12 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 06, 2011, 08:29:47 pm

CC is not leaving the Yankees. No way they let him get away.

i agree - even with their two young studs coming up, they need CC.

panthers30 · « **Reply #706 on:** October 07, 2011, 02:50:28 am »

CC loves NY, as does his wife. Thinking we could outbid the Yankees is crazy enough as is. Thinking we can outbid the Yankees on their only legitimate proven starter after a second consecutive postseason failure is even crazier.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #707 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:13:41 am »

Quote from: panthers30 on October 07, 2011, 02:50:28 am

CC loves NY, as does his wife. Thinking we could outbid the Yankees is crazy enough as is. Thinking we can outbid the Yankees on their only legitimate proven starter after a second consecutive postseason failure is even crazier.

Thinking we'll pony up the dough for him is priceless.

sounded like a master card commercial to me

imref · « **Reply #708 on:** October 07, 2011, 10:45:26 am »

Quote from: panthers30 on October 07, 2011, 02:50:28 am

CC loves NY, as does his wife. Thinking we could outbid the Yankees is crazy enough as is. Thinking we can outbid the Yankees on their only legitimate proven starter after a second consecutive postseason failure is even crazier.

it really wouldn't surprise me to see the Yankees not only keep CC, but sign CJ as well. And with AJ they'll have an all "initial" top 3 (I guess they need to add FP to their broadcast team).

CC, CJ, AJ, Nova, and Banuelos next year with Hughes and Betances in the pen.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #709 on:** October 07, 2011, 10:50:47 am »

CJ getting a CC $160 million deal wouldn't shock me at this point. The Red Sox are desperate and just finished the ultimate choke job because they didn't have any starting pitching depth. The Yankees have one legitimate proven starter (who knows with Nova), and the lack of depth just led to a first round exit. The Rangers now have an $80 million per tv contract and CJ is their number 1 starter. He's not worth that kind of money, but with three rich determined/desperate bidders he might get it

Evolution33 · « **Reply #710 on:** October 07, 2011, 10:56:48 am »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on October 07, 2011, 10:50:47 am

CJ getting a CC $160 million deal wouldn't shock me at this point. The Red Sox are desperate and just finished the ultimate choke job because they didn't have any starting pitching depth. The Yankees have one legitimate proven starter (who knows with Nova), and the lack of depth just led to a first round exit. The Rangers now have an $80 million per tv contract and CJ is their number 1 starter. He's not worth that kind of money, but with three rich determined/desperate bidders he might get it

This off-season is in the players favor because of the huge lack of depth in most areas especially starting pitching. I wouldn't be surprised if Buehrle or Jackson get way over paid as well.

welch · « **Reply #711 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:15:46 am »

NY Times analysis on Sabathia:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/sports/baseball/retaining-sabathia-should-be-yankees-top-priority.html?_r=1&hp

Includes a review of ther pitchers who might be available, because the Yankees need a number 2 starter, and can't afford to let Sabathia leave. But he can.

NYT conclusion: Yankees must re-sign (not "resign"!) Sabathia; Boston needs Sabathia and few other teams have the money. Considering that Nats payroll and what they spent on Werth, I think the Nats have the money.

Do they need him?

Ah...more important question. I think the Nats need hitters. Especially at SS and 2B. Yes, Desmond and Espinosa hit well in September, but there have been thousands of guys who hit like Hank Aaron in September.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #712 on:** October 07, 2011, 02:16:45 pm »

He also hit pretty well April through the break. That's 3 1/2 months as a rookie. not a lot of guys do that. I personally don't think they need "hitters". I think they need a lead off hitter. How you acquire that guy will determine what other positions need to be addressed.

Ali the Baseball Cat · « **Reply #713 on:** October 07, 2011, 02:22:16 pm »

The market for marquee starting pitchers is going to go through the roof this offseason.

Quote from: HalfSmokes on October 07, 2011, 10:50:47 am

CJ getting a CC $160 million deal wouldn't shock me at this point. The Red Sox are desperate and just finished the ultimate choke job because they didn't have any starting pitching depth. The Yankees have one legitimate proven starter (who knows with Nova), and the lack of depth just led to a first round exit. The Rangers now have an $80 million per tv contract and CJ is their number 1 starter. He's not worth that kind of money, but with three rich determined/desperate bidders he might get it

zimm_da_kid · « **Reply #714 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:20:36 pm »

It is a win-win for the Nats to pursue Sabathia. If we get him we get the ace that we badly need to contend. If we lose then we will jack up his price tag for the yankees.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #715 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:27:48 pm »

Are still going to have the Strikeout Brigade?

Slateman · « **Reply #716 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:57:13 pm »

How about signing Yadier Molina and then packaging Ramos out for a CFer? We sign Pudge as the backup. In a couple years Norris can slide into the mix.

Molina with a year or two of Pudge mentoring Jim could be amazing.

As for pitching, I'd like to see if guys like Detwiler, Milone and Peacock can develop/perform over the course of a season.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #717 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:02:31 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on October 07, 2011, 07:57:13 pm

How about signing Yadier Molina and then packaging Ramos out for a CFer?

Chief - are you sure this guy isn't Steve "Booty Bandit" Phillips?

spidernat · « **Reply #718 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:03:45 pm »

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #719 on:** October 07, 2011, 08:03:56 pm »

If we're talking about Molina, might as well throw this into the mix

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15093

new study arguing framing pitches has real and measurable value, to the tune of Jose Molina improving his team by 35 runs per year and Posada costing almost that much in 2010

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #720 on:** October 07, 2011, 09:06:17 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on October 07, 2011, 08:03:56 pm

If we're talking about Molina, might as well throw this into the mix

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15093

new study arguing framing pitches has real and measurable value, to the tune of Jose Molina improving his team by 35 runs per year and Posada costing almost that much in 2010

VALIDITY!

Evolution33 · « **Reply #721 on:** October 07, 2011, 10:09:17 pm »

The Nats have enough minor league pieces that they wouldn't have to trade Ramos. Wouldn't mind Doumit or Barajas as the back-up next season.

welch · « **Reply #722 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:17:01 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on October 07, 2011, 02:16:45 pm

He also hit pretty well April through the break. That's 3 1/2 months as a rookie. not a lot of guys do that. I personally don't think they need "hitters". I think they need a lead off hitter. How you acquire that guy will determine what other positions need to be addressed.

I have this bad feeling about Espinosa and Desmond. Just a sense that they are like boat anchors. Just checked their stats:

- Espinosa had 57 walks and 166 strikeouts this season. That's beyond painful.

- Desmond had 35 walks and struck out 139 times.

Yes, Espinosa hit 21 home runs, but that's not enough. You can strikeout 150 times if you hit 44 home runs...Frank Howard before Ted Williams became manager. (Ted seems to have acted as a hitting coach). Incidentally, that's Howard in 1968, the year that pitchers were so dominating that MLB lowered the mound. The year that Yaz led the AL batting .301, and maybe no other hitter finished about .300.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #723 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:54:55 am »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on October 07, 2011, 10:50:47 am

CJ getting a CC $160 million deal wouldn't shock me at this point. The Red Sox are desperate and just finished the ultimate choke job because they didn't have any starting pitching depth. The Yankees have one legitimate proven starter (who knows with Nova), and the lack of depth just led to a first round exit. The Rangers now have an $80 million per tv contract and CJ is their number 1 starter. He's not worth that kind of money, but with three rich determined/desperate bidders he might get it

No way I give CJ Wilson that much money. That's insanity. Cliff Lee only got $120 mil and he's a sure thing, no doubt about it ace. CJ Wilson is not in Lee's class.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #724 on:** October 08, 2011, 09:59:09 am »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 08, 2011, 09:54:55 am

No way I give CJ Wilson that much money. That's insanity. Cliff Lee only got $120 mil and he's a sure thing, no doubt about it ace. CJ Wilson is not in Lee's class.

Boston thought they had starters and Texas's tv contract wasn't settled yet- different situations