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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1475 on: December 06, 2010, 11:06:07 am »
That's an interesting possibility.  It would make a lot more sense than Beltre coming here too, considering that his bat isn't necessarily better than Zimm's.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1476 on: December 06, 2010, 11:07:18 am »
Commenter Will on Mike Harris' blog:

The A's withdrew their offer because Boras was ignoring their phone calls.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1477 on: December 06, 2010, 11:08:53 am »
The A's withdrew their offer because Boras was ignoring their phone calls.
Boras was probably just too busy working with his "preferred clients."

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1478 on: December 06, 2010, 11:10:35 am »
You're forgetting pitching, sir. Pitching was, is, and ought to be the top priority.


I didn't address pitching. I was speaking purely from an offensive perspective. I tried to make that clear by adding in the "call it an offseason for the offense and major acquisitions." I just meant the offense is done, and pitching is where the moves should be made.

I definitely agree pitching needs to be addressed, in some form.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1479 on: December 06, 2010, 11:52:35 am »
I wouldn't go that far.  But Pena would still not be a good signing, no matter how much Rizzo wishes for it to be so, and particularly not as a replacement for Dunn.  His only virtue is that he is cheap, and if the Lerners are serious about improving the ballclub and money is not a major obstacle (which seems to be the case after the Werth deal), they should go after LaRoche over Pena.

I fail to see exactly what makes Pena a poor signing, but LaRoche a good signing?

They are pretty similar players. To me, it's a toss up. So if going 'cheap' means taking the player on a lesser deal, then that is the route that I would go. Overpaying isn't necessary in every move. To land someone like Werth, it's ok. Doesn't mean it becomes standard operating procedure.

The only real difference in comparing LaRoche is that his batting average is noticably better than Carlos Pena's.

However, Pena has a much better eye at the plate, and walks a lot more. Pena's on base percentage is actually a shade higher, because of the walks.

So LaRoche's one large advantage, is basically evened out by Pena's ability to draw a walk.

Pena's power is a bit better as well.

I am not arguing that Pena is better. If all things are equal, I probably would go for LaRoche. Only because he has spent pretty much all of his career in the national league, and he has been more consistent. We should have a pretty good idea of what we're getting.

However, if Pena is going to come at a one year deal, as opposed to 2 or 3 for LaRoche, then I think Pena is the way to go. Neither player is someone we should commit to long term, so if the big issue is the length of the contract, I go for the shorter one. The players are relatively similar in their age, style of play(left handed power, solid defenders), and in their overall production.

I think either would be a solid addition, so the one we can sign for a lesser deal, is the best way to go IMO. Like I said though, all things being equal, I probably would go LaRoche too, but that doesn't mean Pena is a bad signing.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1480 on: December 06, 2010, 11:55:14 am »
I just can't get behind Pena.

His average has seen a drop of .020 points every single year for the last three years. I see nothing that makes me think he'll have a bounce back year in 2011.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1481 on: December 06, 2010, 12:06:54 pm »
how am i supposed to get any work done?  this is titillating

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1482 on: December 06, 2010, 12:07:47 pm »
how am i supposed to get any work done?  this is titillating

Seriously, I've been hitting refresh all day. Then again this happens every year with winter meetings.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1483 on: December 06, 2010, 12:11:51 pm »
Copied from Zuckerman's Nats Insider blog:

-- If you thought the Werth signing was a jaw-dropper, I've heard some growing rumblings about an even more surprising deal in the works. I'm talking about a player no one has mentioned being even remotely under consideration by the Nationals this winter. I don't want to throw his name out there, because I haven't been able to get anyone in an official capacity who might know about this to confirm it. But I heard this name from multiple people yesterday, people who in my experience wouldn't just throw that out there without having some actual knowledge. I'll see if I can get some confirmation from official sources this morning.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1484 on: December 06, 2010, 12:12:34 pm »
I just can't get behind Pena.

His average has seen a drop of .020 points every single year for the last three years. I see nothing that makes me think he'll have a bounce back year in 2011.

I doubt you continue to see his numbers drop like that. If they do, then that's the benefit of a one year deal.

While I don't see his numbers continuing to decline at that rate, I don't expect a huge jump either. If his numbers stay the same, it's still a similar overall impact to LaRoche. .325obp, 28 bombs, 84RBI, .732ops, compared to .320obp, 25hr, 100rbi, .788ops for LaRoche.

Like I said, I would tend to agree that LaRoche is the better option if all things are equal. If both are commanding 3 years, 24mill, then go LaRoche. If LaRoche wants that, but we can get Pena at 1 year for 8mill, then I say go for Pena. The difference in production is very small IMO.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1485 on: December 06, 2010, 12:13:02 pm »
What does that have to do with my point that Zimmerman's bat would be a lot less special if moved to 1B?

Where did I say a thing about moving Beltre to 1B?

I feel like lately, you're taking everything I say and trying to make it into a "you're wrong" type argument.
Sorry. It does feel weird because usually we see eye to eye on a lot of things.  Sorry if it has gotten on your nerves.  I agree Zimmerman's bat is a lot less special as a first baseman.  What I was primarily reacting to was the rumor of a Nats interest in Beltre.  I am incredibly skeptical when it was unsourced.  My post was more based on my view that there is no room at third for AB and I cannot believe he'd be signed to play first.  If it were the case that he were signed, of the two, RZ and AB, i would think that RZ would be the one moved before AB, just based on how they play the position and that RZ, if it were multi-year, looks bulkier and capable of carrying the size of a first baseman better. 

Again, sorry if we've had some rough edged back and forth the past few days.  I'm thinking my "dietary suggestion" a few days ago probably got you thinking I'm on a vendetta, but that's not what is up.  I was kind of hoping that would lead to that portion of the thread being pulled as a weird tangent.  I can understand why you think I'm just trying to pick issues.  I hope this will smooth out in a few days.

Mike Harris, the blog that broke the Werth story guy, reported that we're inquiring on Adrian Beltre, and we've all been trying to figure out why the hell Rizzo would want a right-handed 3B.
Thanks.  I was wondering where it was from.  Will may be on to something.  Over in the Sun, Dan Connelly suggested the Os may be pulling out.  That place is the logical east coast fit with Polanco under contract.  Also, I think I heard the As were pulling out.  Last year, they offered 3/$24MM, which AB turned down to go for a bigger score after a year with Boston.  Maybe Boras misread the market, but I have to think there is a 3 / $36MM offer out there, or 2 / $28 MM.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1486 on: December 06, 2010, 12:14:34 pm »
Copied from Zuckerman's Nats Insider blog:

-- If you thought the Werth signing was a jaw-dropper, I've heard some growing rumblings about an even more surprising deal in the works. I'm talking about a player no one has mentioned being even remotely under consideration by the Nationals this winter. I don't want to throw his name out there, because I haven't been able to get anyone in an official capacity who might know about this to confirm it. But I heard this name from multiple people yesterday, people who in my experience wouldn't just throw that out there without having some actual knowledge. I'll see if I can get some confirmation from official sources this morning.

I wonder if that is the Beltre rumor that I saw somewhere here ...


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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1487 on: December 06, 2010, 12:16:45 pm »

Thanks.  I was wondering where it was from.  Will may be on to something.  Over in the Sun, Dan Connelly suggested the Os may be pulling out.  That place is the logical east coast fit with Polanco under contract.  Also, I think I heard the As were pulling out.  Last year, they offered 3/$24MM, which AB turned down to go for a bigger score after a year with Boston.  Maybe Boras misread the market, but I have to think there is a 3 / $36MM offer out there, or 2 / $28 MM.

I don't know if I buy the Beltre to the Nats angle. Boras is probalby just trying to get another suitor out there to make the Angles ante up. With Oakland and Boston out, the Angels are the only other big spender out there, so the ball is in their court until someone else joins the discussion.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1488 on: December 06, 2010, 12:19:38 pm »
Seriously, I've been hitting refresh all day. Then again this happens every year with winter meetings.
I was complacent with not checking here as much, but then this goes and happens. The Nats really don't want me to get any work done.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1489 on: December 06, 2010, 12:21:40 pm »
I wonder if that is the Beltre rumor that I saw somewhere here ...



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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1490 on: December 06, 2010, 12:23:25 pm »
I don't know if I buy the Beltre to the Nats angle. Boras is probalby just trying to get another suitor out there to make the Angles ante up. With Oakland and Boston out, the Angels are the only other big spender out there, so the ball is in their court until someone else joins the discussion.

It makes sense except the only place it's been mentioned is a Nats blog.  If they were trying to drum up interest, every reporter in the country would be writing about it.  Who knows if there's any truth to it whatsoever anyway. 

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1491 on: December 06, 2010, 12:24:05 pm »

Didn't Rizzo say the team was interested in bringing back Adam Dunn when the facts say they weren't or that Rizzo said that the team wouldn't address its outfield situation? Potomac Cannons does a good job of ignoring the facts that aren't convenient to his cause. Then ignores the posters who bring it up.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1492 on: December 06, 2010, 12:46:04 pm »
Looks we've inquired on James Loney again. If we can acquire him, Marrero becomes very tradeable, perhaps for a Garza-type pitcher.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1493 on: December 06, 2010, 12:48:12 pm »
I wonder if that is the Beltre rumor that I saw somewhere here ...


I wouldn't classify a Beltre moves as more surprising than Werth... except from the perspective that we already have a pretty good 3B. There's lots better places to spend money on...

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1494 on: December 06, 2010, 12:48:53 pm »
Marrero doesn't have the highest value at the moment though. Looks pretty ordinary. Decent hit skill but not not an overwhelming ability to hit for huge power or draw walks.

He needs a big '11.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1495 on: December 06, 2010, 01:13:41 pm »
As long as people like Zuckerman are suggesting that there is a name that has not come up before, Loney might be a good one.  We've kicked it around here before.  I do think it'd be a LH bat  rather than a righty because, with Werth and Zimmerman, a bit of balance might be needed.  One intriguiging name to kick around might be Luke Scott in some sort of deal involving Desmond.  Scott has played some first and OF, so he would not even lock you out of a cheap corner OF or 1B signing towards the spring once there are guys who end up without full-time jobs.  Not regarded as a great defender, so maybe not in the spirit of Rizzo's defensive emphasis, but a reasonably good athlete and bat.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1496 on: December 06, 2010, 01:16:56 pm »
Adrian Beltre's price is now 5/70. We have officially killed the free agent market.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1497 on: December 06, 2010, 01:17:02 pm »
Kilgore says the Nats want to sign a closer.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/12/nationals_looking_to_add_bullp.html

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Already trying to fill a hole at first base and add starting rotation depth, the Nationals are also looking for a closer, according to a league source.


...Adding a closer would have a potential side benefit. The Nationals could add a veteran closer and then trade him midseason as a way to ease Storen in the role they envisioned for him when the drafted him. The Nationals struck gold last year by signing Capps for $3.5 million, then flipping him for Ramos, 23, who will likely begin the season in a platoon behind home plate.

If the Nationals can add another quality arm to their bullpen, they would be strengthening a strength. Despite leading the majors with a staggering 545 2/3 innings, the Nationals' bullpen had a 3.33 ERA, tied for fourth best in the majors. If they can improve their bullpen, it would also lessen the pressure to sign a top-shelf starting pitcher, because it would allow Manager Jim Riggleman to go to his relievers early in games, as he often did in 2009.

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1498 on: December 06, 2010, 01:18:03 pm »
One intriguiging name to kick around might be Luke Scott in some sort of deal involving Desmond.  Scott has played some first and OF, so he would not even lock you out of a cheap corner OF or 1B signing towards the spring once there are guys who end up without full-time jobs.  Not regarded as a great defender, so maybe not in the spirit of Rizzo's defensive emphasis, but a reasonably good athlete and bat.

With the (Orioles') trade for Mark Reynolds, would this now become an option?

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Re: 10/11 offseason (Better than Bumplestiltskin Left-Eye Lopez's)
« Reply #1499 on: December 06, 2010, 01:20:08 pm »
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