Author Topic: MLB & Division Watching (2010) (Read 121384 times)

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2350 on:** January 11, 2011, 04:56:57 pm »

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_verducci/01/11/verducci.effect/index.html

The 'Verducci Effect' pitchers are listed in the linked article. SI author Tom Verducci has taken credit for formalizing an idea that has been kicked around for a bunch of years - that young pitchers should have their innings limited and increased gradually.

The list of 2011 pitchers who might have arm troubles due to heavy workload increases last year includes some pretty big names - David Price, Bumgarner, Latos, Phil Hughes. Verducci says that the older pitchers that still qualify as 'young' may be at less of a risk. He also notes that bigger guys are also less at risk.

Matt Latos was absolutely abused in SD. He had a 60 inning workload increase two years in a row. I think SD almost got the first pick when we got Strasburg. Not like it matters, since despite the kid gloves with which the Nats treated him, Stras supposedly hurt his arm on a single pitch.

Anyway, an interesting read. Lucky for us, our prized arms have all already succumbed to arm injuries, so we have nothing to worry about. Again,

And one more -

houston-nat · « **Reply #2351 on:** January 11, 2011, 05:11:36 pm »

Bumgarner and Latos seem like the biggest risks to me, although that Marlins guy is one too. But you're right... the Nationals consistently never have a guy on the Verducci list and still have awful stuff happen to our starters. Who goes down with TJ surgery this year? Lannan? Detwiler? Henry Rodriguez?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2352 on:** January 11, 2011, 05:20:00 pm »

My gut is that Lannan is past the danger zone for young pitchers. Detwiler seems like as good a guess as any.

blue911 · « **Reply #2353 on:** January 11, 2011, 05:43:00 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 11, 2011, 05:20:00 pm

My gut is that Lannan is past the danger zone for young pitchers. Detwiler seems like as good a guess as any.

Jaime Moyer just had TJ surgery. I think the danger zone is about preventing shoulder injuries.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2354 on:** January 11, 2011, 06:25:04 pm »

Our pitchers seems to like their TJs young

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2355 on:** January 11, 2011, 07:29:13 pm »

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjRFJT.y0h91HN6fnylZTAQRvLYF?slug=ti-metsearlybird011011

Jeff Passan on the Mets. Bottom line is that they're old and injured and will probably be fighting with the Nats for 4th place.

Edited - Tim Brown, not Jeff Passan.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #2356 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:16:06 pm »

Jeff Passan is awesome cuz he hates the BCS

PANatsFan · « **Reply #2357 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:26:03 pm »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on January 11, 2011, 11:16:06 pm

Jeff Passan is awesome cuz he hates the BCS

Haha I finally got that book on order.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #2358 on:** January 12, 2011, 11:09:14 am »

Quote from: PANatsFan on January 11, 2011, 11:26:03 pm

Haha I finally got that book on order.

read it over break, it was pretty good but in the middle, it gets a bit dry as they get a bit repetitive about how people in charge of bowl games suck out money/how bowl games cost school $ (it's corruption, but it mostly doesn't have to do with the BCS so it's kinda irrelevant).

houston-nat · « **Reply #2359 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:24:56 pm »

Hilarious quote from today's MLBTR Chat:

[Comment From Craig]
Now that someone mentioned a pujols trade, would three mike trouts be enough?
Ben Nicholson-Smith: This is a ridiculous question for two reasons 1. Pujols isn't getting traded. 2. There's only one Mike Trout. But if the Cards were shopping Pujols and the Angels offered three Mike Trouts, I think the Cards would take the deal.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2360 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:20:43 pm »

So - Strasburg and Harper for Pujols - who says no?

blue911 · « **Reply #2361 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:28:52 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 12, 2011, 05:20:43 pm

So - Strasburg and Harper for Pujols - who says no?

Michael Weiner?

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #2362 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:30:30 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on January 12, 2011, 05:28:52 pm

Michael Weiner?

Hahaha.

You said Weiner.

houston-nat · « **Reply #2363 on:** January 12, 2011, 06:13:12 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 12, 2011, 05:20:43 pm

So - Strasburg and Harper for Pujols - who says no?

The MLB says no because Harper was drafted less than a year ago.
Also it all depends on if we could extend him

tomterp · « **Reply #2364 on:** January 12, 2011, 06:48:00 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 12, 2011, 05:20:43 pm

So - Strasburg and Harper for Pujols - who says no?

Me?

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2365 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:20:18 pm »

I'd say no, too. If I hadn't seen Strasburg sparkle like he did in his short time here, I might think about it. But Stras has the potential to be an hall of fame worthy himself. Hell, if he can do over a career what he's already done with the Nats, he's probably an all time great - maybe Halladay level.

Harper is more difficult to cheer for - for me, anyway. Just seems so cocky. And we'll probably end up trading him to the Yankees no matter how good he is. But we'd still get like 5 good years out of him.

So I'd probably say no, as monstrously good as Pujols is.

tomterp · « **Reply #2366 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:33:37 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 12, 2011, 08:20:18 pm

So I'd probably say no, as monstrously good as Pujols is.

Pujols is also going to cost $30m per year, needs Tommy John, and is constantly fighting other ailments to play. Yes, he's a mortal lock for the HOF and a certified beast, but he's no spring chicken and the injuries may soon take enough toll where he becomes a mere mortal.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2367 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:44:41 pm »

Yeah - there is that. Plus I think the combination of what Strasburg and Harper might become could push us into the elite category of teams. Adding Pujols for the next several years adds one of the best 1B of all time, but leaves us with still a pretty weak rotation and Zim and Werth and not much else in the lineup.

Basically, we're so bad off, it would take more than Albert Pujols to save us. LOL.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #2368 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:10:12 pm »

Kudos again to Boras for getting more money than anyone thought was out there.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Quote

The Yankees have agreed to terms with Rafael Soriano, reports SI.com's Jon Heyman (all Twitter links). The deal is believed to be worth $35MM over three years, and will allow the player to opt out after either of the first two years. Soriano is represented by Scott Boras, and the contract is pending a physical.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #2369 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:10:35 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 13, 2011, 09:10:12 pm

Kudos again to Boras for getting more money than anyone thought was out there.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

BAZOING! That's silly money.

Kevrock · « **Reply #2370 on:** January 13, 2011, 10:00:52 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 12, 2011, 05:20:43 pm

So - Strasburg and Harper for Pujols - who says no?

Everyone here, I would hope.

Coladar · « **Reply #2371 on:** January 13, 2011, 10:04:41 pm »

Wow. So much for refusing to give up that first round pick. I'm shocked the Yankees got Soriano. Didn't expect it, even though most analysts thought it was a strong possibility. Best 1-2 punch in the history of baseball? Soriano and Rivera = scary. Imagine those two plus the Philthies rotation. 130-140 wins?

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #2372 on:** January 13, 2011, 10:09:03 pm »

In the last seven years, Soriano has failed to reach 15 IP in three of them.

He doesn't come without risk.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2373 on:** January 13, 2011, 10:44:59 pm »

Wow. Soriano to the Yankees. Yanks vs. Red Sox should be really exciting this year.

Still think we should have signed him.

houston-nat · « **Reply #2374 on:** January 14, 2011, 09:03:39 am »

The Dodgers just released Pat Borders. As in, Pat Borders. He'd been on the restriced list of their inactive roster for nearly five years.