Author Topic: 2010 Offseason Wheeling and Dealing (Read 116658 times)

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1875 on:** January 28, 2010, 09:56:22 am »

Hadn't there been talk of moving Espinoza or Desmon to 2B?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1876 on:** January 28, 2010, 10:00:20 am »

Listening to the MLB Network Top 50 prospects got me to thinking perhaps the proverbial "Z'nn level" prospect pitcher who could be obtained for Willingham is Hellickson from TB. He was #20, but with Davis ahead of him (as well as Shields / Garza / Niemann / Price) and some quality behind him, maybe he could be had. Incredible K/BB ratio all the way through the minors. A trade would set us up to sign a corner OF short term in the depressed market for short money.

heh, heh, maybe they'd take Guz off our hands too if we took Burrell back?

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1877 on:** January 28, 2010, 10:03:25 am »

I like it... but I don't see the upside for the Rats.

Crawford, Upton, Zoberist (if they sign Hudson) would be a potent OF. Not sure how Hammer would fit in the mix unless the Rays are planning to dump Crawford sometime soon.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1878 on:** January 28, 2010, 10:17:50 am »

Rays do want a slugger. Weren't they look at Thome?

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1879 on:** January 28, 2010, 10:25:34 am »

BTW, If the Nats ever do move Hammer, I'd love for the team to sweep in and sign Damon on the cheap. The best offer he's gotten is about 5 million from the A's.

Throw 7 million at him and a 8 million mutual option for next year. See if he bites.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1880 on:** January 28, 2010, 11:24:16 am »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 28, 2010, 10:03:25 am

I like it... but I don't see the upside for the Rats.

Crawford, Upton, Zoberist (if they sign Hudson) would be a potent OF. Not sure how Hammer would fit in the mix unless the Rays are planning to dump Crawford sometime soon.

for the Rays - Willingham would be a cheaper alternative to Burrell as DH. Crawford and Pena have expiring contracts, so they might be interested in Willingham for beyond this year. They actually have another OF, Desmond Jennings, who is one of the best prospects in baseball, who has a good enough arm to play corner or CF (moving upton to RF). Pat the Bat is due $9m this year, so a Guz / Burrell swap, maybe some cash, helps them. We'd be stuck with Burrell for a year, but could stick him in either corner so long as he is healthy (and when he isn't, fine). Guz could be a backup infielder for TB, although they have Brignac for that role. Zobrist could play RF if they sign hudson, or, if Jennings is ready, they skip Hudson and go with Zo in the IF and Crawford/ Jennings / Upton in the OF this year. Cheaper and maybe better.

We then go out and sign Hudson / Kennedy. We'd be old short term, but something like either morgan in CF, 3 man rotation in the corners with Burrell, Dukes, possibly Damon, with Willie as the defensive backup and Owens / JMax / Beranardina waiting in AAA or as 6th OF.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1881 on:** January 28, 2010, 11:49:49 am »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 28, 2010, 09:44:01 am

I'm worried about Kobernus.

I've seen scouting reports comparing him anywhere from Casey Blake to Brendan Harris.

Just hope the kid can have a full, healthy year this year.

Casey is a fine player and Brendan Harris sure has found a home in Minnesota (and Tampa before that). Let's just hope Kobernus can make it to the bigs first. I have faith.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1882 on:** January 28, 2010, 12:13:35 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 28, 2010, 09:44:01 am

I'm worried about Kobernus.

I've seen scouting reports comparing him anywhere from Casey Blake to Brendan Harris.

Just hope the kid can have a full, healthy year this year.

Jeff Kent

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1883 on:** January 28, 2010, 12:19:04 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 28, 2010, 11:24:16 am

for the Rays - Willingham would be a cheaper alternative to Burrell as DH. Crawford and Pena have expiring contracts, so they might be interested in Willingham for beyond this year. They actually have another OF, Desmond Jennings, who is one of the best prospects in baseball, who has a good enough arm to play corner or CF (moving upton to RF). Pat the Bat is due $9m this year, so a Guz / Burrell swap, maybe some cash, helps them. We'd be stuck with Burrell for a year, but could stick him in either corner so long as he is healthy (and when he isn't, fine). Guz could be a backup infielder for TB, although they have Brignac for that role. Zobrist could play RF if they sign hudson, or, if Jennings is ready, they skip Hudson and go with Zo in the IF and Crawford/ Jennings / Upton in the OF this year. Cheaper and maybe better.

We then go out and sign Hudson / Kennedy. We'd be old short term, but something like either morgan in CF, 3 man rotation in the corners with Burrell, Dukes, possibly Damon, with Willie as the defensive backup and Owens / JMax / Beranardina waiting in AAA or as 6th OF.

no way to Burrell. yuck

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1884 on:** January 28, 2010, 12:22:59 pm »

Ladson tweets:

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washingnats: Orlando Hudson's price is still too high for the #Nats, who are considering other options.

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washingnatsThe #Nats are still considering Adam Kennedy and Orlando Cabrera to play second base.

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washingnats: The #Nats still haven't ruled out a double-play combination of Ian Desmond and Cristian Guzman.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1885 on:** January 28, 2010, 12:42:45 pm »

Quote from: ASSCLOWN on January 28, 2010, 12:22:59 pm

Ladson tweets:

Would you rather have a) Hudson/Guzman or b) Guzman/Desmond?

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1886 on:** January 28, 2010, 01:32:51 pm »

Blech, how do you chose? Pick your poison.

My overall preference is Desmond/Hudson, but Guz is our albatros right now.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1887 on:** January 28, 2010, 01:39:01 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 28, 2010, 01:32:51 pm

Blech, how do you chose? Pick your poison.

My overall preference is Desmond/Hudson, but Guz is our albatros right now.

Couldn't agree more.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1888 on:** January 28, 2010, 01:54:50 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 28, 2010, 11:49:49 am

Casey is a fine player and Brendan Harris sure has found a home in Minnesota (and Tampa before that). Let's just hope Kobernus can make it to the bigs first. I have faith.

Btw, what I was trying to say was... I'm hoping he turns out more like Casey Blake than a clone of Brendan Harris.

Blake is a solid player that has had multiple productive years... Harris is more of a bit/utility type player.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1889 on:** January 28, 2010, 01:59:20 pm »

Harris's problem is that he doesn't have a glove.

I agree about Kobernus - very puzzling range of opinions about the guy. Let's hope for the best.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1890 on:** January 28, 2010, 02:35:14 pm »

Quote from: ASSCLOWN on January 28, 2010, 12:19:04 pm

no way to Burrell. yuck

After we had so much success with Austin Kearns's pine time, I'm shocked [not] that a rational fan would hate the idea of that formerly useful player in the clubhouse. However, since he was a part-time DH last year, he may be more accustomed to riding the pine than Guz. We know Guz complains if he does not play every day and bat 2d. I'd think that might be more of a black hole of stink than Burrell. Burrell would be mostly used as a pinch hitter and a guy who plays on the short side of a platoon in the corners.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1891 on:** January 28, 2010, 02:37:11 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on January 28, 2010, 01:59:20 pm

Harris's problem is that he doesn't have a glove.

I agree about Kobernus - very puzzling range of opinions about the guy. Let's hope for the best.

Where did I read someone - maybe Callis in his chat, maybe here - that Kobernus was likely to one of the guys outside the top 100 most likely to surprise up. Of course, sickels down graded him.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #1892 on:** January 28, 2010, 03:46:19 pm »

Wait a minute , did I read correctly that we trade Willingham for a SP and Guzman straight up for Burell. We then can sign Hudson / Kennedy and have all our immediate problems solved. Add Damon to the mix and I like it.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1893 on:** January 28, 2010, 03:47:55 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 28, 2010, 01:32:51 pm

Blech, how do you chose? Pick your poison.

My overall preference is Desmond/Hudson, but Guz is our albatros right now.

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on January 28, 2010, 01:39:01 pm

Couldn't agree more.

Well obviously most of us would want to see Desmond/Hudson ... but at the time being ... Guzman is staying put, so who would you rather have more Hudson or Desmond? That was my question a) or b)?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1894 on:** January 28, 2010, 03:49:24 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 28, 2010, 03:47:55 pm

Well obviously most of us would want to see Desmond/Hudson ... but at the time being ... Guzman is staying put, so who would you rather have more Hudson or Desmond? That was my question a) or b)?

I'd rather have Guzman on the bench. He's a sunk cost, there is no sense compounding it by not giving Desmond a chance

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1895 on:** January 28, 2010, 03:50:16 pm »

Guzman/Desmond is the only realistic infield that could have a decent offense defense balance, when you factor in Guzman's immovable object status.

By the way, if you were Guzman, what would you do? He's played her for 5 years, he's comfortable, he has pals, he's got a good thing going, and is guaranteed to start. It's a no brainer for him.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1896 on:** January 28, 2010, 03:51:10 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 28, 2010, 03:47:55 pm

Well obviously most of us would want to see Desmond/Hudson ... but at the time being ... Guzman is staying put, so who would you rather have more Hudson or Desmond? That was my question a) or b)?

I think I'd rather have Guzman/Hudson to start, hope Guz get's hot in July and we can trade him at the deadline and get a little something back for him. Desmond could take over the rest of the way out.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #1897 on:** January 28, 2010, 04:11:47 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 28, 2010, 03:51:10 pm

I think I'd rather have Guzman/Hudson to start, hope Guz get's hot in July and we can trade him at the deadline and get a little something back for him. Desmond could take over the rest of the way out.

I am not saying this is best case scenario but I think it has the highest probability and we get a mid-level talent for Guz. I think that we are all frustrated that we haven't signed Hudson / Kennedy and a starting pitcher.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1898 on:** January 28, 2010, 04:46:47 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on January 28, 2010, 03:46:19 pm

Wait a minute , did I read correctly that we trade Willingham for a SP and Guzman straight up for Burell. We then can sign Hudson / Kennedy and have all our immediate problems solved. Add Damon to the mix and I like it.

Sort of. That's what the poster suggested, o you read it correctly, but it was the idle ramblings of a clueless stat geek who likes to speculate about $$ and prospects rather than a well-sourced and thought out report.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1899 on:** January 28, 2010, 04:49:57 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 28, 2010, 03:51:10 pm

I think I'd rather have Guzman/Hudson to start, hope Guz get's hot in July and we can trade him at the deadline and get a little something back for him. Desmond could take over the rest of the way out.

Quote from: aspenbubba on January 28, 2010, 04:11:47 pm

I am not saying this is best case scenario but I think it has the highest probability and we get a mid-level talent for Guz. I think that we are all frustrated that we haven't signed Hudson / Kennedy and a starting pitcher.

I am on board with this thinking. It would also give Desmond some time in AAA to prove his BABIP and last year stats were not flukes. mid season, make a choice based on who is doing better - Desmond in AAA or Espinosa in AA.