2010 Offseason Wheeling and Dealing

[Kevrock]

That's too much guaranteed money, IMO.

Definitely.

[sportsfan882]

Is that a joke?

+1

[cmdterps44]

That's not true. Indians have a ton more talent than the Nats do.

Its not really close.

Choo is the only one thats really a good upcoming talent.

[sportsfan882]

If Hudson signs elsewhere this off-season gets a resounding "C".

No excuse to go into the season with the same middle infield as last year.

[Vega]

That's not true. Indians have a ton more talent than the Nats do.

Its not really close.

But they are going through a massive rebuild. Most of their team has either been traded, or will be traded. If I were the O-Dog, I would sign with a team that is at least trying to be half-decent right now.

[DPMOmaha]

LaPorta
Choo
Sizemore
Hafner
Peralta
Cabrera
Carmona

That's a pretty good, young core.  Not sure what their bullpen/rotation looks like compared to ours, but that's a pretty good little lineup. 

[PANatsFan]

LaPorta
Choo
Sizemore
Hafner
Peralta
Cabrera
Carmona

That's a pretty good, young core.  Not sure what their bullpen/rotation looks like compared to ours, but that's a pretty good little lineup. 

Hafner and Sizemore are washed up. Carmona is a head case and Cabrera is inconsistent. Dunn >> LaPorta because he's proven. Zim > any player on their team. Strasburg and Storen by the end of the season.

The Indians are overrated every year. God knows why.

They traded away far too many players and they are too young with a few old goats.

[sportsfan882]

you have to be kidding me dpm. the majority of those guys you listed aren't young and aren't that good either.

[ronnynat]

Hafner and Sizemore are washed up.

Hafner had a pretty nice season last year after sucking it up in '08. Sizemore had a down year but I wouldn't call him washed up. He's 27.

I think the Indians are dumb for starting Carlos Santana out in Triple-A this year. He's better than any of their other options.

[Lintyfresh85]

Hafner and Sizemore are washed up. Carmona is a head case and Cabrera is inconsistent. Dunn >> LaPorta because he's proven. Zim > any player on their team. Strasburg and Storen by the end of the season.

The Indians are overrated every year. God knows why.

They traded away far too many players and they are too young with a few old goats.

Are you freaking kidding me? Grady Sizemore washed up? I could stop right there and your post would look ridiculous... but I'll continue on.

Lets take a look at two players, Player A and Player B.

You tell me which one you want

Player A - .276/.368/.488/.856 averaging 26 SB, 37 2B's, 8 3B's and 25 HR's a year.
Player B - .282/.345/.476/.821 averaging 4 SB, 38 2B's, 3 3B's and 23 HR's a year.

And oh yeah... one of these two guys plays the second toughest position on the field and is a plus plus fielder.

[DPMOmaha]

Hafner and Sizemore are washed up. Carmona is a head case and Cabrera is inconsistent. Dunn >> LaPorta because he's proven. Zim > any player on their team. Strasburg and Storen by the end of the season.

The Indians are overrated every year. God knows why.

They traded away far too many players and they are too young with a few old goats.

I think you've extrapolated way too much from my post.  I wasn't comparing ours with theirs.  Just saying it's not that bad of a lineup.

Hafner might be close to maxing out, but I Sizemore's got a lot of really good baseball left.  He got hurt last year but I he'll be alright, I think Hafner did too, right?  I like that lineup largely.  I'm not calling it a World Series lineup but it's not bad at all.  I'm not sure what their pitching's like but I think they'll be fine offensively.

[PANatsFan]

Linty is hardly impartial here.

You love to quote UZR. Sizemore hasn't done anything defensively in years. He's suited for LF now. I'd much rather have Morgan, especially with Willingham.

I'm guessing your A/B thing is trying to convince me some player is better than Zim, but that's not ever going to happen, since Zim is such a complete player due to defense.

[PANatsFan]

DPM, you are right, they are far from terrible. I just think it's obvious the Nats have a better year ahead. I think the NL East is pretty week outside of Philly.

[sportsfan882]

I think you've extrapolated way too much from my post.  I wasn't comparing ours with theirs.  Just saying it's not that bad of a lineup.

Hafner might be close to maxing out, but I Sizemore's got a lot of really good baseball left.  He got hurt last year but I he'll be alright, I think Hafner did too, right?  I like that lineup largely.  I'm not calling it a World Series lineup but it's not bad at all.  I'm not sure what their pitching's like but I think they'll be fine offensively.

I like our lineup better if we get Hudson.

You have to consider the Manny factor into the equation as well. That will cost the Indians 5-10 games right there.

[Lintyfresh85]

You love to quote UZR. Sizemore hasn't done anything defensively in years. He's suited for LF now. I'd much rather have Morgan, especially with Willingham.

Read what you just wrote... and ask yourself who's really being impartial here?

You'd rather have Willingham/Morgan over Sizemore? Really?

[DPMOmaha]

DPM, you are right, they are far from terrible. I just think it's obvious the Nats have a better year ahead. I think the NL East is pretty week outside of Philly.

Mmmm...I don't know if I'd go that far.  I think they're both set up for similar years.  I think both can be .500 teams with a few breaks.  I don't see either contending for their divisions.

[sportsfan882]

DPM, you are right, they are far from terrible. I just think it's obvious the Nats have a better year ahead. I think the NL East is pretty week outside of Philly.

Correct. The Phillies are good obviously. Florida and Atlanta have some decent players but are average at best overall. The Mets are awful.

[DPMOmaha]

I like our lineup better if we get Hudson.

You have to consider the Manny factor into the equation as well. That will cost the Indians 5-10 games right there.

What if they get Hudson, who's lineup do you like better then?  Both have similar lineups.

[PANatsFan]

Read what you just wrote... and ask yourself who's really being impartial here?

You'd rather have Willingham/Morgan over Sizemore? Really?

In a heartbeat. Morgan played 46 games for the Nats, and Sizemore was hurt all year. Morgan was slightly more valuable offensively and was head and shoulders better than any other player in baseball defensively. It's not even close. I think Hammer and Sizemore are going to have similar seasons offensively.

[Lintyfresh85]

you have to be kidding me dpm. the majority of those guys you listed aren't young and aren't that good either.

Lets prove you wrong as well.

Talent projected to be on the 25 man at the start of the season...

C - Santana/Marston > Rodriguez/Flores (Santana is the best catching prospect in all of baseball, Flores can't stay healthy)

1B - Dunn > Laporta (for now)

2B - Valbuena > Nats (Nats don't even have a 2B right now... so I'm right)

SS - Cabrera > Guzman, Desmond (Not even close. Cabrera is a force)

3B - Zimmerman > Marte (Not close)

LF - Willingham > Brantley (Indians don't have a LF... Brantley will battle for job)

CF - Sizemore > Morgan (Sizemore is a superstar, Morgan is solid... but not great)

RF - Choo > Dukes (Not even close. Choo is one of the best hitters in baseball)

SP - Westbrook, Laffey, Carmona, Masterson, Rondon > Marquis, Lannon, Detwiler, whoever 4 and 5 are (Indians not only have more major league starting talent, their system is also stronger at pitching than the Nats)

CL - Wood > Capps (Wood can and has been an elite closer. Capps hasn't shown that)

[Lintyfresh85]

In a heartbeat. Morgan played 46 games for the Nats, and Sizemore was hurt all year. Morgan was slightly more valuable offensively and was head and shoulders better than any other player in baseball defensively. It's not even close. I think Hammer and Sizemore are going to have similar seasons offensively.

Gutierrez is a better CF'er than Morgan.

[Lintyfresh85]

In a heartbeat. Morgan played 46 games for the Nats, and Sizemore was hurt all year. Morgan was slightly more valuable offensively.

And what happened in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 when Sizemore was a Top 15 hitter year in and year out. Sizemore was hurt all of last year and he still nearly put up better offensive value than Morgan.

Get real dude.

[PANatsFan]

Gutierrez is a better CF'er than Morgan.

you can't pick and choose stats like the ASSCLOWN. Statistically, Morgan had an all time great season. Period. Unstoppable.

Morgan + Hammer > Sizemore+Scrub - I don't give a crap about who is a "superstar" - Sizemore is an average defender, only had 1 season anywhere close to where Morgan is. Look at his UZR, it's like 3 clicks on Fangraphs.

[Lintyfresh85]

Gutierrez 2009 UZR - 29.1 - Best in baseball

Morgan 2009 UZR - 27.8 - not best in baseball

[PANatsFan]

Gutierrez 2009 UZR - 29.1 - Best in baseball

Morgan 2009 UZR - 14.5 - 8th in baseball

OMFG look at UZR/150 - he only played half a season.