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cmdterps44 · « **Reply #625 on:** December 17, 2009, 07:41:02 pm »

Per MLBTR/Sir William Blahblah

http://twitter.com/washingnats/status/6779600800

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The Washington Nationals are one of Capps' finalists, reports MLB.com's Bill Ladson (via Twitter). Of all the interested teams, Washington should provide one of the clearest paths to a closing role for Capps.

That would be some relief going into next year compared to last year.

Potomac Cannons · « **Reply #626 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:03:19 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on December 17, 2009, 07:41:02 pm

Per MLBTR/Sir William Blahblah

http://twitter.com/washingnats/status/6779600800

That would be some relief going into next year compared to last year.

A deal of 3/9m with incentives up to 12m would be fantastic. Mike Gonzalez may have driven the cost up, but I doubt Capps goes too crazy.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #627 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:13:34 pm »

3 years? no way. 2 should suffice.

How can Capps' terrible last season be explained? Just bad luck?

UMDNats · « **Reply #628 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:14:30 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on December 17, 2009, 08:13:34 pm

3 years? no way. 2 should suffice.

How can Capps' terrible last season be explained? Just bad luck?

Possibly. I'm sure someone can dig up some stats that say he had crappy D and bad luck or something.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #629 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:15:58 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on December 17, 2009, 08:14:30 pm

Possibly. I'm sure someone can dig up some stats that say he had crappy D and bad luck or something.

Probably. They can find stats to suit any opinion. If this was any other guy they would be dogging Capps and saying he sucks.

Potomac Cannons · « **Reply #630 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:25:02 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on December 17, 2009, 08:13:34 pm

3 years? no way. 2 should suffice.

How can Capps' terrible last season be explained? Just bad luck?

His save percentage went up last year. His numbers stayed mostly where they were the three previous years. His "terrible" year was one of 27/32 in saves and the same K/9 as usual. He had elbow problems for part of the year which led to his WHIP being over 1.25 for the first time and his FIP over 4.25 for the first time. Even with the health problems, and control issues it caused, he was still effective and he had a better year finishing games than his previous 3.

Of course that requires looking at something other than ERA for five seconds and doing some actual analysis.

UMDNats · « **Reply #631 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:25:36 pm »

Quote from: Potomac Cannons on December 17, 2009, 08:25:02 pm

His save percentage went up last year. His numbers stayed mostly where they were the three previous years. His "terrible" year was one of 27/32 in saves and the same K/9 as usual. He had elbow problems for part of the year which led to his WHIP was over 1.25 for the first time and his FIP over 4.25 for the first time. Even with the health problems, and control issues it caused, he was still effective and he had a better year finishing games than his previous 3.

Of course that requires looking at something other than ERA for five seconds and doing some actual analysis.

...and there are the stats I was talking about. Win.

Potomac Cannons · « **Reply #632 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:27:14 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on December 17, 2009, 08:25:36 pm

...and there are the stats I was talking about. Win.

Yup. 3 years, with incentives, for a 26 year old who has had minor elbow problems once and gotten better each year.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #633 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:35:32 pm »

saves?

MacDougal was nearly perfect in 20+ Opps and he'll be lucky to get more than a cheap 1 year deal.

JMW IV · « **Reply #634 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:02:24 pm »

Hey, "bad luck" is exactly how SF explains away his favorite players bad stretches.

imref · « **Reply #635 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:26:57 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on December 17, 2009, 08:35:32 pm

saves?

MacDougal was nearly perfect in 20+ Opps and he'll be lucky to get more than a cheap 1 year deal.

nearly perfect?

Nathan · « **Reply #636 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:33:17 pm »

20/21

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #637 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:34:45 pm »

Quote from: JMadIV on December 17, 2009, 09:02:24 pm

Hey, "bad luck" is exactly how SF explains away his favorite players bad stretches.

True. This.

Potomac Cannons · « **Reply #638 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:46:12 pm »

Quote from: Nathan on December 17, 2009, 09:33:17 pm

20/21

Gotta love ignoring reality. Capps 06, 07 and 08 were better than any year that MacWalkal has ever put up. Capps is 7 years younger, has more than one pitch, can actually control his pitches, was better in K/9, and actually bothered to strike out more guys than he walked last year. It's not even close.

The Chief · « **Reply #639 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:07:11 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on December 17, 2009, 08:15:58 pm

Probably. They can find stats to suit any opinion. If this was any other guy they would be dogging him and saying he sucks.

Yeah, can you believe people who do that kind of stuff?

imref · « **Reply #640 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:07:36 pm »

Quote from: Nathan on December 17, 2009, 09:33:17 pm

20/21

Of course when you come in with a 6-3 lead and get a save with a 6-5 lead and bases loaded, it does count as "perfect".

Nathan · « **Reply #641 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:09:36 pm »

Quote from: Potomac Cannons on December 17, 2009, 09:46:12 pm

Gotta love ignoring reality. Capps 06, 07 and 08 were better than any year that MacWalkal has ever put up. Capps is 7 years younger, has more than one pitch, can actually control his pitches, was better in K/9, and actually bothered to strike out more guys than he walked last year. It's not even close.

Gotta love forming someones opinions for them. I was simply pointing out that be "Nearly Perfect" SF meant the 20/21 stat. Of course he wasn't "perfect" by any means or measure.

I want us to go after Capps aggressively, I would much prefer him over any of our other current closing options.

Man, you have come on this board being pretty belligerent.

Nathan · « **Reply #642 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:10:36 pm »

Quote from: imref on December 17, 2009, 10:07:36 pm

Of course when you come in with a 6-3 lead and get a save with a 6-5 lead and bases loaded, it does count as "perfect".

I thought you didn't know that Klej was 20/21 when you said "nearly perfect?" but now I see your meaning.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #643 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:28:56 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on December 17, 2009, 08:15:58 pm

Probably. They can find stats to suit any opinion. If this was any other guy they would be dogging Capps and saying he sucks.

Look in the mirror much?

PANatsFan · « **Reply #644 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:42:57 pm »

Why the hell can't the Nats have Capps and Klej?

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #645 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:43:45 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on December 17, 2009, 11:42:57 pm

Why the hell can't the Nats have Capps and Klej?

idk, that'd be nice. something like:

bergmann, clippard, burnett, klej, bruney, capps.

would be an above league average pen.

JMW IV · « **Reply #646 on:** December 18, 2009, 12:53:25 am »

Whats with the obsession with macdougal?

PANatsFan · « **Reply #647 on:** December 18, 2009, 12:55:33 am »

Quote from: JMadIV on December 18, 2009, 12:53:25 am

Whats with the obsession with macdougal?

What reliever with major league closing experience that likes playing in DC, has a chance of signing here, and won't cost a pick do you recommend? Because the only other player I can think of is Chad Cordero, since Gary Majewski just signed a minor league deal somewhere.

Nathan · « **Reply #648 on:** December 18, 2009, 12:55:34 am »

Quote from: JMadIV on December 18, 2009, 12:53:25 am

Whats with the obsession with macdougal?

He's a nice guy.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #649 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:22:32 am »

Quote from: Potomac Cannons on December 17, 2009, 08:25:02 pm

His save percentage went up last year. His numbers stayed mostly where they were the three previous years. His "terrible" year was one of 27/32 in saves and the same K/9 as usual. He had elbow problems for part of the year which led to his WHIP being over 1.25 for the first time and his FIP over 4.25 for the first time. Even with the health problems, and control issues it caused, he was still effective and he had a better year finishing games than his previous 3.

Of course that requires looking at something other than ERA for five seconds and doing some actual analysis.

So SF dogs you for being ready to dig up a crappy stat, and you prove him right by using "save percentage"? Oy vey.

For whatever reason, Capps was hit much harder last year than ever before. Still had similar control, still struck guys out at a respectable rate, but his HR and hits allowed went way up. That could be a fluke.

I think it's worth seeing if it was a fluke and going after him.