Tex and the Nats...

[The Chief]

I just don't understand the ESPN hate. They cover certain teams much more dilligently than others, but the hate here is pretty ridiculous and unfounded.

I'll just refer you to my post in the winter meetings thread.  I think you and spidernat blow it way out of proportion.  Spider I can understand because he just likes to stir up crap and rile people, but I honestly don't know why you seem to care so much.  Would you like me if I constantly said negative things about your mother, even if they were all true and she didn't do much good?  Why shouldn't people around here dislike ESPN's coverage of our team?

[Pilchard]

In the end, I can't see Tex signing with the Nats.  That said, the Boras factor does weigh in the Nats' favor.  To Boras, $$$ trumps all else; that is how he keeps score, and the reason A-Rod ended up in Texas.  Assuming the Nats offer the best contract, it will go against Boras's history to have a client sign elsewhere (unless Tex takes over the negotiations, as has happened with Boras clients on more than one occasion). 

[hammondsnats]

haha can you imagine if the Nats offered Teixeira a substantially larger contract, but he decides to sign with the Red Sox or another team.  You thought there was a meltdown when Aaron Crow didn't sign ... wait until that day.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

In the end, I can't see Tex signing with the Nats.  That said, the Boras factor does weigh in the Nats' favor.  To Boras, $$$ trumps all else; that is how he keeps score, and the reason A-Rod ended up in Texas.  Assuming the Nats offer the best contract, it will go against Boras's history to have a client sign elsewhere (unless Tex takes over the negotiations, as has happened with Boras clients on more than one occasion). 

Plus the Union would go absolutely apecrap to see Teix not take the highest dollar amount possible.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

No I don't know what it looks like b/c the Lerners haven't spent it yet. 

I rest my case.

[Bags]

He just watched "Cool Hand Luke", where Luke (Steve McQueen) fights the prison tough guy, and gets pounded into the turf, but keeps getting up to receive another whupping.  Repeat, over and over.  It's heroic in an insane sort of way.

Steve McQueen???

[Minty Fresh]

I rest my case.

He really set that one up for you.

[hammondsnats]

You rest what?  I didn't set up sh!t, all I'm saying is we haven't seen them spend ANYTHING since coming here.  Other major market teams know what that money looks like.  Of course we're the lowly nats with cheap owners so we won't until they pony up.

[cmdterps44]

You rest what?  I didn't set up sh!t, all I'm saying is we haven't seen them spend ANYTHING since coming here.  Other major market teams know what that money looks like.  Of course we're the lowly nats with cheap owners so we won't until they pony up.

Hes saying you want them to spend money but its easy for you to say that since its not your money... and then you went and said they havent spent it.


But i still agree that they haven't done anything drastic except high ticket prices and lower season prices.

[The Chief]

You rest what?  I didn't set up sh!t, all I'm saying is we haven't seen them spend ANYTHING since coming here.  Other major market teams know what that money looks like.  Of course we're the lowly nats with cheap owners so we won't until they pony up.

I'm honestly surprised that you're not on anyone's ignore list.  You're like a broken record.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

You rest what?  I didn't set up sh!t, all I'm saying is we haven't seen them spend ANYTHING since coming here.  Other major market teams know what that money looks like.  Of course we're the lowly nats with cheap owners so we won't until they pony up.

I made the point that it is "easy to spend other people's money."
I asked you if you have seen [ENTER AMOUNT OF MONEY].
You said you have not seen [ENTER AMOUNT OF MONEY] because [ENTER NAME OF PEOPLE/PERSONS THAT ARE NOT YOU] have not spent it yet.

Hence, it is easier to spend someone else's money!

[hammondsnats]

I'm honestly surprised that you're not on anyone's ignore list.  You're like a broken record.

haha b/c i know when to stop.  you won't see me bring up the LAC issue until someone else does.  I learned this after the Crow swing and a miss.

[hammondsnats]

just so u guys know sheinin is having a chat right now on washingtonpost.com

[spidernat]

He just watched "Cool Hand Luke", where Luke (Steve McQueen) fights the prison tough guy, and gets pounded into the turf, but keeps getting up to receive another whupping.  Repeat, over and over.  It's heroic in an insane sort of way.

It's been a while since I watched that movie and for some reason I don't recall that scene.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

My Yank friends are rooting for the Nats to get Teix. They are scared crapless of Teix and Jason Bay in the same line-up together, not counting the rest of the pieces of (crap) that team.

[spidernat]

I rest my case.

So because none of us know what that kind of money looks like the Lerners shouldn't have to spend that type of money even though they are raking in the loot?

  Spider I can understand because he just likes to stir up crap and rile people,

The fact is that people have naged about that for years.

  Would you like me if I constantly said negative things about your mother, even if they were all true and she didn't do much good?  Why shouldn't people around here dislike ESPN's coverage of our team?

If it's true then not saying it doesn't make it any less true. Even so, comparing someone's mother to the Nationals is a bit of a straw man, I think.

[tomterp]

Steve McQueen???

  

Paul Newman, perhaps?

[Nat of the Living Dead]

So because none of us know what that kind of money looks like the Lerners shouldn't have to spend that type of money even though they are raking in the loot?

Never said that, but thank you for playing.

So let's say your raking in the loot. Do your friends call you cheap because you take your wife or sig fig out to dinner at Outback Steakhouse instead of the most fancy and expensive restaurant in DC? Shouldn't you do so because you are raking in that loot?

[natsfan4evr]

As a Nats fan even if we get Tex I can't be excited.
We all know something will happen that injures him or seriously messes up his swing

Lenny Harris is finally gone, so maybe my fears won't come to fruition. I've just been a Nats fan for too long to not prepare for the worst.

If half of our starting lineup plays in more than 100 games, I will be happy.

[Bags]

You rest what?  I didn't set up sh!t, all I'm saying is we haven't seen them spend ANYTHING since coming here.  Other major market teams know what that money looks like.  Of course we're the lowly nats with cheap owners so we won't until they pony up.

When they took over in July of '06 they said they were going to spend money to get the farm system up to speed versus spending it on top free agents right away, it's pretty tough to argue that they haven't done just that.  It takes more than two years to properly rebuild a farm system, but they could hardly have made more progress than they already have to this point.  Now they say they are ready to spend money on top free agents, and appear to be very serious about it, and it's probably a year or more ahead of their original plan.  So they may be too tight to pay for FedEx, but they've done what they said they would do so far.

[spidernat]

Never said that, but thank you for playing.

So let's say your raking in the loot. Do your friends call you cheap because you take your wife or sig fig out to dinner at Outback Steakhouse instead of the most fancy and expensive restaurant in DC? Shouldn't you do so because you are raking in that loot?

We're not talking about burning money for the hell of it. We're talking about spending money on a player who has proven his worth over years. It's an investment as well as a gesture to the fanbase who supports the team in many ways that they are willing to spend the money they are funneling into the team to improve it and not just to keep it for themselves. Your example does not measure up.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

When they took over in July of '06 they said they were going to spend money to get the farm system up to speed versus spending it on top free agents right away, it's pretty tough to argue that they haven't done just that.  It takes more than two years to properly rebuild a farm system, but they could hardly have made more progress than they already have to this point.  Now they say they are ready to spend money on top free agents, and appear to be very serious about it, and it's probably a year or more ahead of their original plan.  So they may be too tight to pay for FedEx, but they've done what they said they would do so far.

I tend to agree with this. Though they are super media shy, the Lerners have always been up front with the fans even though they might not like what they have to say.

[The Chief]

The fact is that people have naged about that for years.

Yep and you like giving them crap about it.  That's fine.  I get it.  Not my thing, but at least I get it.  What I don't get why UMD is so vocal about it.  People complaining about things on an internet message board?  NO WAY!  Why does this complaint in particular rub him so raw?  Is somebody at ESPN related to Ben Roethlissburger?

If it's true then not saying it doesn't make it any less true. Even so, comparing someone's mother to the Nationals is a bit of a straw man, I think.

You're distorting my views again, AND you didn't answer the question.  You're also mis-using the straw man concept but since I know it's because you just like to throw things back in people's faces, I don't really care.  I just picked "mother" out of a hat, but any analogy would do.  The point was to illustrate that it's human nature to resent a person or organization when that person or organization only recognizes something you care about when it's to point out the negatives.

[DPMOmaha]

So let's say your raking in the loot. Do your friends call you cheap because you take your wife or sig fig out to dinner at Outback Steakhouse instead of the most fancy and expensive restaurant in DC? Shouldn't you do so because you are raking in that loot?

Not if you're not the wealthiest guy and the wealthiest guys also wants eat at the expensive restaurants you want to go to, has better connections than you do, a better reputation  and percieved deeper pockets.  You can't take people there if you can't get in.  You can offer all the tips you want but you're still not getting in, at least not the first, or maybe even the second time unless you throw ridiculous money at them which then sets the bar higher for you than you might want to go.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

We're not talking about burning money for the hell of it. We're talking about spending money on a player who has proven his worth over years. It's an investment as well as a gesture to the fanbase who supports the team in many ways that they are willing to spend the money they are funneling into the team to improve it and not just to keep it for themselves. Your example does not measure up.

It measures up perfectly because you'd tell your the friends the same thing the Lerners would tell you: Who the freak are you to tell me my limits when you don't know jack?

They are out there right now gunning for the top FA available. That doesn't make you happy. If they lose him, it won't make you happy. What they ultimately will offer won't make you happy. Some people, you can never make happy.

Your just nagging to nag and having nothing solid to back up what your saying.