Tex and the Nats...

[spidernat]

Explain how a strikeout is as bad as a DP or a fielder's choice or a caught stealing.

I was talking about this part...

(you can even steal 1st!!!)

I'm waiting.

Relax nancy-boy

[HalfSmokes]

yes.

but Dunn doesn't exactly have the market cornered on this, now does he?

your right he was only second in the majors in homeruns last year

[MrMadison]

your right he was only second in the majors in homeruns last year

Dunn hit 40 homers. 23 doubles.

Texiera hit 33 homers. 41 doubles

nah, Tex can't hit for power. not at all.

[hammondsnats]

regardless of what evereyone's stance on this issue is, it's good to see plenty of action on here and lots of discussion for nats baseball.

[spidernat]

regardless of what evereyone's stance on this issue is, it's good to see plenty of action on here and lots of discussion for nats baseball.

How is talking about Teixeira Nats baseball? It's not like he'll ever wear our uniform. 

[HalfSmokes]

ok, so Dunn's basically the only power hitter that there is. right?

Dunn hit 40.

Texiera hit 33.

nah, Tex can't hit for power. not at all.

Tex isn't going to be a national. On another topic can anyone name a team that one the WS with one player earning more than 15% of the teams pay roll?

[MrMadison]

Tex isn't going to be a national.

until the money is put on the table, I'm not going to resign myself to that.

I'm choosing not to be cynical this time.

[tomterp]

There's been a lot of VORP bashing going on here, but we haven't even seen what VORP says about Dunn vs. Teixeira.  I think what some people are saying, is that Dunn is overvalued by VORP, which somehow itself must then be flawed to give too much weight to walks, etc.

The whole point of VORP is to give the "right" amount of weight to walks, runs, steals, hits, caught stealing, power, home field, etc. in order to allow comparisons between players.  Comparing Dunn to Tex on a VORP basis is more direct and meaningful than all the flailing away that's been going on around the rest of the old school stats.  The VORP comparisons seem quite reasonable to me, about in line like I expected they would be.

What do you think?

[PANatsFan]

There's been a lot of VORP bashing going on here, but we haven't even seen what VORP says about Dunn vs. Teixeira.  I think what some people are saying, is that Dunn is overvalued by VORP, which somehow itself must then be flawed to give too much weight to walks, etc.

The whole point of VORP is to give the "right" amount of weight to walks, runs, steals, hits, caught stealing, power, home field, etc. in order to allow comparisons between players.  Comparing Dunn to Tex on a VORP basis is more direct and meaningful than all the flailing away that's been going on around the rest of the old school stats.  The VORP comparisons seem quite reasonable to me, about in line like I expected they would be.

What do you think?

I see contract year overperformance by Tex

[tomterp]

There are around 1,000 hitters ranked each season, but that includes everyone who batted, including pitchers.  Dunn's certainly a very productive hitter, but Teixeira's outhit him 4 out of the last 5 years, and by a significant margin overall. 

[spidernat]

There's been a lot of VORP bashing going on here,

I'm pretty sure VORP was only mentioned once by one poster.

I think what some people are saying, is that Dunn is overvalued by VORP, which somehow itself must then be flawed to give too much weight to walks, etc.

Therefore, Dunn's VORP "value" and how walks relate to that measure wasn't even brought up.

The whole point of VORP is to give the "right" amount of weight to walks, runs, steals, hits, caught stealing, power, home field, etc. in order to allow comparisons between players. 

Comparing Dunn to Tex on a VORP basis is more direct and meaningful than all the flailing away that's been going on around the rest of the old school stats.  The VORP comparisons seem quite reasonable to me, about in line like I expected they would be.

Dunn's certainly a very productive hitter, but Teixeira's outhit him 4 out of the last 5 years, and by a significant margin overall. 

Who cares about outhitting another player. Hitting doesn't matter. Has he outwalked him?   

[tomterp]

I'm pretty sure VORP was only mentioned once by one poster.

Well, others were thinking it.

[spidernat]

Well, others were thinking it.

That's good tomterp.   

[blue911]

There's been a lot of VORP bashing going on here

And I missed it? Damn,damn,damn.

Do a WARP-1 on Dunn & Teixeira,please. Also do you have access to stats that show how many of each players hits drove in a run?

[hammondsnats]

Where will Teixeira mark his turf?
by Ken Rosenthal

While the Angels and Red Sox still appear the favorites for free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira, the Nationals remain a major player, the Yankees can not be discounted and other teams remain involved.

Teixeira's agent, Scott Boras, is in deep economic discussions with interested clubs, according to a major-league source. Teixeira is almost certain to sign before Boras' other major free-agent slugger, Manny Ramirez.

It still appears doubtful that Teixeira will choose the Nationals or his even hometown Orioles when he has better options. But another Boras client, Alex Rodriguez, stunned the baseball world by joining the then-lowly Rangers as a free agent after the 2000 season.

Teixeira, 28, could justify signing with the Nationals by saying he wanted to be the face of an emerging franchise in the nation's capital. He could rationalize signing with the Orioles by saying he wanted to spark their revival at a time when the team finally is starting to develop young talent.

Once Teixeira signs, the markets for Ramirez and other free-agent sluggers such as Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell and Bobby Abreu should become clearer.

Just think: If Ramirez signs with the Yankees, he can torture the Red Sox. If he signs with the Giants, he can torture the Dodgers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8822718/Where-will-Teixeira-mark-his-turf??CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

[MrMadison]

I don't do VORP and WARP and WORF and DWARF and all those other star trek-ish terms.  I'm not smart enough.

I'll stick with the simple OBP and OPS. that is much easier better for us stupid neanderthals to understand.

can we keep the discussion down at my level please? all that smart stuff is going to make my brain asplode.

thanks.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Rosenthal, the guy who started the baseless "Peavy to the Yankees" rumor.  Wow, I'm so optimistic!

*insert gold ticket pic here*

[hammondsnats]

Rosenthal, the guy who started the baseless "Peavy to the Yankees" rumor.  Wow, I'm so optimistic!

*insert gold ticket pic here*

once again another worthless post coming from you. 

all i did was post rosenthal's write-up, who is a respected writer by most around the league.  i didn't make any comment of it or indicate we would get him, just passed along the link. 

[PANatsFan]

once again another worthless post coming from you. 

all i did was post rosenthal's write-up, who is a respected writer by most around the league.  i didn't make any comment of it or indicate we would get him, just passed along the link. 

Rosenthal is the best, despite working for Fox

[hammondsnats]

despite working for Fox

another case where we agree to disagree

i voted for the other guy!

[tomterp]

once again another worthless post coming from you. 

sensitive today?

[The Chief]

I know I'm betting with the odds here, but my gut feeling is that we do not get Tex.

[cmdterps44]

Rosenthal, the guy who started the baseless "Peavy to the Yankees" rumor.  Wow, I'm so optimistic!

*insert gold ticket pic here*

Whats the point of this? This thread is Tex and the Nats... Anything about Tex with Nats mentioned should go here.. So, he posted an article relating to TEIXEIRA AND THE NATS.

I don't do VORP and WARP and WORF and DWARF and all those other star trek-ish terms.  I'm not smart enough.

I'll stick with the simple OBP and OPS. that is much easier better for us stupid neanderthals to understand.

can we keep the discussion down at my level please? all that smart stuff is going to make my brain asplode.

thanks.

im leaning on this type of mentality

[PANatsFan]

another case where we agree to disagree

i voted for the other guy!

I was making fun of spidernat there, but you vote for whomever you please - there was hilarious list of write-in votes from Florida that I'll post in Uncensored.

[blue911]

im leaning on this type of mentality

I like getting the numbers. Since Tom pays for the service, it's nice to know what the statheads think. Ignoring statistical trends is a good way of overpaying for a player that shows all the historical evidence of a decline (cough Adam Dunn cough).