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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #800 on: January 24, 2024, 02:55:16 pm »
per talknats, Candelario was the Nats main focus for a LHB / CI. Gallo was plan B.

They also note that Hyun Jin Ryu is a focus of the Nats as well but that the Nats other choices all went elsewhere.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #801 on: January 24, 2024, 05:26:52 pm »
per talknats, Candelario was the Nats main focus for a LHB / CI. Gallo was plan B.

They also note that Hyun Jin Ryu is a focus of the Nats as well but that the Nats other choices all went elsewhere.
I'd be fine with Ryu.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #802 on: January 24, 2024, 06:16:01 pm »
Just what we need. A sub 90mph starter who doesnt strike anyone out and will be lucky to hit 150 innings

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #803 on: January 24, 2024, 07:14:52 pm »
per talknats, Candelario was the Nats main focus for a LHB / CI. Gallo was plan B

I think I prefer Gallo on a 1-year deal than the 3 years Candy got.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #804 on: January 24, 2024, 08:27:03 pm »
I think I prefer Gallo on a 1-year deal than the 3 years Candy got.
2.9 bWAR last year vs. 0.5 bWAR.  Get what you pay for. 

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #805 on: January 24, 2024, 09:18:26 pm »
2.9 bWAR last year vs. 0.5 bWAR.  Get what you pay for. 
Uh .... we paid the same amount for Gallo as we did for Candelario

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #806 on: January 24, 2024, 09:43:59 pm »
Uh .... we paid the same amount for Gallo as we did for Candelario
And Thames!!

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #807 on: January 26, 2024, 09:20:22 am »
And Thames!!
there's actually kind of a pattern from 2021 on. I think in 2021 there was still a thought that lightning could strike and the remainder of the 2019 core could make a run, but they were positioning themselves for a rebuild centered on spinning off the 2019 players as they retired or were near the end of control and acquiring vets on pillow contracts to flip if they hit. The moves are so similar, just the $ committed keeps declining as the prospect depth gets better (to put a nice spin on it). Think Schwarber, the Bell trade for a 2 year guy, Harrison, and Lester in 2021, in 2022 there was the 2d year of Bell, Nelson Cruz, Maikel Franco, and nothing of note SP wise (geez, what an awful rotation at the start of the year- Corbin, Gray, a broken Fedde, an Adon fail, and a cluster of mix and match hoping Stras would return for one slot - Espino, Aaron and Anibal Sanchez, Abbott). For 2023, Williams was an absolute stud in comparison to the #4 and #5 from 2022, and we had Dom, Dickerson, Edwards, and Candelario. The money commitment in 2024 and the positions are almost the same as 2023 (actually slightly less $$). Maybe it is a sign of turning the corner as now we have internal options for the back end of the rotation and a pretty clear set of close to the majors 3rd basemen and OFs?

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #808 on: January 26, 2024, 10:39:19 am »
With the Gallo signing, Fangraphs now has us projected at 66.25 wins.

Playoffs baby!

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #809 on: January 26, 2024, 11:03:22 am »
https://www.talknats.com/2024/01/26/fangraphs-projections-for-the-washington-nationals-in-2024/

Projected OD lineup:
CJ Abrams SS LH
Lane Thomas RF RH
Keibert Ruiz C SH
Joey Meneses 1B RH
Joey Gallo LF LH
Stone Garrett DH RH
Luis Garcia 2B LH
Nick Senzel 3B RH
Victor Robles CF RH

Rotation:
Josiah Gray RHP
MacKenzie Gore LHP
Jake Irvin RHP
Patrick Corbin LHP
Trevor Williams RHP

Bench:
Riley Adams C RH
Ildemaro Vargas IF SH
Nasim Nunez IF SH
Carter Kieboom IF RH

Bullpen:
Kyle Finnegan RHP
Hunter Harvey RHP
Tanner Rainey RHP
Jordan Weems RHP
Robert Garcia LHP
Dylan Floro RHP
Jose Ferrer LHP
Joan Adon RHP


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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #810 on: January 26, 2024, 11:31:18 am »
That matches what Roster Resource is showing: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/nationals

I don't see Kieboom kept as a backup. At worst, they try to outright him to Rochester by first exposing him to waivers. The don't need a 3rd infield backup. I will guess Call or Young grabs a slot. Yes, Senzel and Garrett can play left and will get time there, and Gallo can be the backup CF for a few days, but Call is a guy you don't mind sitting for long stretches on the bench to be used for pinch running and emergencies.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #811 on: January 26, 2024, 11:42:26 am »
Yea, they're not keeping Kieboom as a backup. If he's not hitting in ST, they'll put him on waivers. They'll need a 4th OFer for that spot.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #812 on: January 26, 2024, 11:56:06 am »
definitely Young > Kieboom

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #813 on: January 26, 2024, 12:14:57 pm »
With the Gallo signing, Fangraphs now has us projected at 66.25 wins.

Playoffs baby!


Yes, I see some Vegas books have us at +12500 to win the NL East this year. I know a good investment when I see one!  :hysterical:

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #814 on: January 26, 2024, 03:28:53 pm »
I like the Joey Gallo signing. Low risk, medium reward. Maybe he rakes and they flip him at the deadline?

The only downside is a Nelson Cruz situation where he is terrible and they refuse to bench him.

"Do right by veterans" always gets banded about but I've yet to see a club get sweetheart signings and kickbacks for their goodwill. Nothing matters but money and proximity to a title.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #815 on: January 26, 2024, 04:12:46 pm »
definitely Young > Kieboom

hope so, his speed and defense alone are worth at least late inning replacements, especially if Robles doesn't hit

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #816 on: January 26, 2024, 05:09:28 pm »
hope so, his speed and defense alone are worth at least late inning replacements, especially if Robles doesn't hit
If they keep Nunez, then I suppose he's the speedy PR who brings infield defense. Not sure that there's a need for a defensive replacement with Gallo-Robles-Thomas. Maybe Thomas

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #817 on: January 26, 2024, 05:27:29 pm »
hope so, his speed and defense alone are worth at least late inning replacements, especially if Robles doesn't hit
Lol, why would they play Young over Robles for "speed and defense." When healthy, Robles has been one of the best defenders in CF

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #818 on: January 26, 2024, 05:28:13 pm »
If they keep Nunez, then I suppose he's the speedy PR who brings infield defense. Not sure that there's a need for a defensive replacement with Gallo-Robles-Thomas. Maybe Thomas
You dont need one, particularly if Garrett is healthy enough to play LF

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #819 on: January 26, 2024, 05:50:36 pm »
You dont need one, particularly if Garrett is healthy enough to play LF
and Senzel and Meneses can play OF too. Still, I suspect a guy like Call makes the team as the 4th OF, and Young breaks camp in the minors. I'm not sure Robles loses his job to Young even with a spring disaster on Vic's part.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #820 on: January 26, 2024, 06:34:49 pm »
I would love to see Young in the lineup as much as possible. In 33 games he stole 13 bases and never got caught. I'd like to see him and Abrams turned loose. Thomas too. If you can't hit home runs steal like crazy.

I was never a Martinez fan until last year when he took advantage of the new rules and ran.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #821 on: January 26, 2024, 07:28:01 pm »
Lol, why would they play Young over Robles for "speed and defense." When healthy, Robles has been one of the best defenders in CF

Robles can chase down a fly ball. That's his entire defense. He has never learned where to throw. We saw that Young covers ground. Young has a strong arm. He is accurate. He knows where to throw. Robles hit last spring before he got hurt, but hardly ever hit before then. As best I remember, Robles's hitting slipped in the second half of 2019.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #822 on: January 26, 2024, 07:37:05 pm »
Robles can chase down a fly ball. That's his entire defense. He has never learned where to throw. We saw that Young covers ground. Young has a strong arm. He is accurate. He knows where to throw. Robles hit last spring before he got hurt, but hardly ever hit before then. As best I remember, Robles's hitting slipped in the second half of 2019.
Young does not have a strong arm. Robles arm is significantly better. He is a much better overall defender than Young.

I could see eating two million for him to be the 4th OFer for a Crews call up, but Jacob Young is never going to be anything other than a 5th OFer type.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #823 on: January 26, 2024, 07:54:35 pm »
Young does not have a strong arm. Robles arm is significantly better. He is a much better overall defender than Young.

I could see eating two million for him to be the 4th OFer for a Crews call up, but Jacob Young is never going to be anything other than a 5th OFer type.

Jacob Young started in Wilmington last year, was promoted to Harrisburg, then Rochester, then the show. He hit at every minor league level last year and not bad as a Nat at .252. He was great on the bases stealing 13 and never getting caught. The jury is still out on him for playing every day but he's a good center fielder and certainly too quick to say he won't be anything more than a 5th outfielder.

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Re: 2023-24 Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #824 on: January 26, 2024, 08:03:39 pm »
Young does not have a strong arm. Robles arm is significantly better. He is a much better overall defender than Young.

I could see eating two million for him to be the 4th OFer for a Crews call up, but Jacob Young is never going to be anything other than a 5th OFer type.

Then there's this:

https://www.mlb.com/news/nationals-jacob-young-sets-franchise-history-in-win#:~:text=With%20a%2093.4%20mph%20arm%20strength%2C%20Young%20delivered,Nationals%E2%80%99%20fourth-fastest%20tracked%20outfield%20assist%20of%20the%20season.

"By the end of the night, the 24-year-old outfielder had become the first player in Nationals team history (2005-present) to collect his first big league hit, stolen base and outfield assist in the same game, according to Elias Sports Bureau."

"Young’s laser throw was spot-on to Ruiz, who applied the tag on the slide. With a 93.4 mph arm strength, Young delivered the Nationals’ fourth-fastest tracked outfield assist of the season."