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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #50: June 09, 2022, 10:12:36 AM »
Am I the only one expecting nothing? Like, if he's hitting 92-93, I consider this an amazing return.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #51: June 09, 2022, 10:41:51 AM »
Am I the only one expecting nothing? Like, if he's hitting 92-93, I consider this an amazing return.

if he makes another start in 4/5 days it's parade time

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #52: June 09, 2022, 11:21:41 AM »
I think he’ll be excellent.  He’ll be as good as ever for 5 starts then will get injured

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #53: June 09, 2022, 01:05:48 PM »
Eric Longehagen from FG:

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Also set to return to a big league rotation is Nationals righty Stephen Strasburg, who has made three rehab starts with Triple-A Rochester, also on four days rest, recovering from thoracic outlet surgery. While he’s still showing plus secondary stuff, especially his changeup, his velocity has been way down, hovering in the 88–92 range with poor shape. Of all the pitchers who I’ll cover today, he’s the only one who hasn’t looked anything like himself.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/wednesday-prospect-notes-baz-strasburg-rehab-updating-the-phillies-list/

I haven't seen the <90s much on the fastball, so it'll be interesting to see what real readings look like tonight.  It's his secondary stuff that let's me think he'll be a top of the rotation guy even without the velocity.  But, time for letting reality be the reality check.  Just having take a turn every 5th day is more than what others have done with his surgery.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #54: June 09, 2022, 01:12:16 PM »
You cant be a top of the rotation guy without a good fastball.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #55: June 09, 2022, 01:14:16 PM »
Eric Longehagen from FG:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/wednesday-prospect-notes-baz-strasburg-rehab-updating-the-phillies-list/

I haven't seen the <90s much on the fastball, so it'll be interesting to see what real readings look like tonight.  It's his secondary stuff that let's me think he'll be a top of the rotation guy even without the velocity.  But, time for letting reality be the reality check.  Just having take a turn every 5th day is more than what others have done with his surgery.
well that  snippet doesn't inspire much confidence :(

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #56: June 09, 2022, 01:14:59 PM »
You cant be a top of the rotation guy without a good fastball.
I'm talking more like a #2.  For the Nats, he'd function as the #1, but without really being that level. As for good fastball, I think the comment about the shape of the fastball might be more important than being in the low 90s.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #57: June 09, 2022, 01:54:37 PM »

Am I the only one expecting nothing?

I'll be watching with guarded optimism. If he starts grooving 89 mph fastballs, he's gonna get lit up, and then everyone will be on here talking about how he's washed up.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #58: June 09, 2022, 02:16:37 PM »
You cant be a top of the rotation guy without a good fastball.
Like Greinke the past few years? Greg Maddux? There have been others also. Need a curveball to be good and also some separation MPH between the change up and fastball. A good number 3/4 starter the next couple years would be a major hep.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #59: June 09, 2022, 02:59:40 PM »
Strasburg seems like the kind of guy to retire if he’s washed. 

That would get us out of his contract, no?

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« Reply #60: June 09, 2022, 03:12:18 PM »
Strasburg seems like the kind of guy to retire if he’s washed. 

That would get us out of his contract, no?
Yeah...that's not the vibe I get at all...

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #61: June 09, 2022, 03:12:46 PM »
Livo's fastball was what, 80 mph?  From a radar gun on a maserati going in the other direction?   

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #62: June 09, 2022, 03:12:51 PM »
Strasburg seems like the kind of guy to retire if he’s washed. 

That would get us out of his contract, no?
I don't see him quitting from a competitiveness standpoint.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #63: June 09, 2022, 03:34:59 PM »
Livo's fastball was what, 80 mph?  From a radar gun on a maserati going in the other direction?   
Livan hasnt pitched in ten years and hasnt produced like a TOR starter in almost 20

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #64: June 09, 2022, 03:35:31 PM »
Strasburg seems like the kind of guy to retire if he’s washed. 

That would get us out of his contract, no?
:lmao: yea, he'll just walk away from 200 million dollars. The union will love that

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #65: June 09, 2022, 03:39:36 PM »
If you retire for health reasons, you still get the money. That's why Chris Davis is still being paid.

The last guy I can think of who retired for non-health reasons and the team didn't have to pay him was Adam LaRoche who walked away from tens of millions of guaranteed dollars in 2016 when the White Sox stopped allowing his teenage son into the clubhouse.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #66: June 09, 2022, 04:50:23 PM »
I think he’ll be excellent.  He’ll be as good as ever for 5 starts then will get injured
And be out for the rest of the season. When Stras gets hurt, it's almost never for a short stretch.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #67: June 10, 2022, 09:28:20 AM »
It was like when everyone can see that the car is going to reverse into the wall, but no-one shouts 'STOP!!!'

That outing will have done wonders for Strasburg's confidence - ah well, onward and downward... ;)

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #68: June 10, 2022, 09:40:23 AM »
Strasburg seems like the kind of guy to retire if he’s washed. 

That would get us out of his contract, no?

No one in their right mind leaves that much money on the table. I think it more likely that he seeks a second opinion and goes back to the DL

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #69: June 10, 2022, 10:01:16 AM »
It was like when everyone can see that the car is going to reverse into the wall, but no-one shouts 'STOP!!!'

That outing will have done wonders for Strasburg's confidence - ah well, onward and downward... ;)

Addressed this in the other thread, but this is such a weird take. He's a world series MVP and doesn't need confidence builders. He needs to get a feel and properly used this as a tune up.

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Stephen Strasburg was very encouraged how he felt physically tonight. Felt his mistakes were of execution and in some cases pitch selection. But overall was happy, even smiled talking to us.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #70: June 10, 2022, 10:14:54 AM »
What is the track record for a 33 year old making a successful return after sitting out two years with injuries?

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #71: June 10, 2022, 10:18:02 AM »
Stras was awful in his first rehab start at Low-A, then put together a string of superb starts before getting called up. Let's give at least 2-3 more starts before writing him off.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #72: June 10, 2022, 10:30:06 AM »
What is the track record for a 33 year old making a successful return after sitting out two years with injuries?
not great, and thoracic outlet surgery has less of a track record than even 2nd TJS. It's all about the conditioning at this point.  It's less about wins in his first few starts than continuing to build stamina, getting a feel for his pitches, and getting to whatever his peak now is physically. 

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #73: June 10, 2022, 10:31:17 AM »
Addressed this in the other thread, but this is such a weird take. He's a world series MVP and doesn't need confidence builders. He needs to get a feel and properly used this as a tune up.

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Stephen Strasburg was very encouraged how he felt physically tonight. Felt his mistakes were of execution and in some cases pitch selection. But overall was happy, even smiled talking to us.
After basically not pitching for two years I am sure he has doubts. Don’t see why they would want to go beyond 60-65 pitches in his first MLB start. Even against the Marlins that is more stres than a minor league start.

In any event let’s see how he does this month and if he can stay healthy. He will likely never near the value of his contract but would be good to have a decent starter.

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Re: Strasmas 3.0 - feels so 2010
« Reply #74: June 10, 2022, 01:29:17 PM »
Three strong innings, and then he ran out of gas. Strasburg will get better and stronger.