Author Topic: PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018) (Read 56026 times)

spidernat · « **Reply #3125 on:** October 02, 2018, 02:07:41 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on October 02, 2018, 01:58:46 pm

Took the missus to Dulles around 3:30 AM Saturday. On the way out of the parking lot, I had an issue with my credit card being stuck in the machine. Main guy shows up and notices the tags ( ). After I got my card back, we discussed the dave/Dusty thing for 5 or 10 minutes.

Was the guy wearing this pin on his work uniform?

mitlen · « **Reply #3126 on:** October 02, 2018, 02:19:54 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on October 02, 2018, 02:07:41 pm

Was the guy wearing this pin on his work uniform?

I didn't notice. He was dressed in a white open colored shirt, dark slacks .... standard supervisory night shift attire. African American ... 45 ish; salt/pepper beard. I had my Steelers hat on. Near the end of our baseball chat, he mentioned the Steelers. I sez, "Oh you had to go there." We laughed and I was on my way. I was holdin' up traffic.

Slateman · « **Reply #3127 on:** October 02, 2018, 02:35:09 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on October 02, 2018, 09:51:36 am

Apparently, the "little things" were what killed the team this season. In other words, things the manager is responsible for. And, apparently unlike this past Spring, Davey will be focusing on them as of now. Guess, coming over from the Cubs, he assumed the Nats had players schooled in base running fundamentals, sacrificing, throwing to the right base, etc.

Weird that we would expect a team that had previously won 4 of the last 6 division titles to have a grasp of the fundamentals

spidernat · « **Reply #3128 on:** October 02, 2018, 02:43:52 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on October 02, 2018, 02:35:09 pm

Weird that we would expect a team that had previously won 4 of the last 6 division titles to have a grasp of the fundamentals

Fundamentals only became important this season. You could win without them in previous seasons.

UMDNats · « **Reply #3129 on:** October 02, 2018, 02:47:41 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on October 02, 2018, 02:43:52 pm

Fundamentals only became important this season. You could win without them in previous seasons.

Dusty baker invented fundamentals

Ray D · « **Reply #3130 on:** October 02, 2018, 03:50:30 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on October 02, 2018, 02:43:52 pm

Fundamentals only became important this season.

Fundamentals only get noticed when you don't do them. When a team does the fundamental things, most people don't notice. When they don't, people notice.

Fundamentals aren't something you just learn and then you know them. You have to work on, practice, and drill fundamentals constantly or you lose them.

And I believe that's what at issue here, they did not sufficiently work on fundamentals. Or as Martinez calls them "the little things". And I do not think we should take it on faith that he'll make them a priority next season just because he says so. If he didn't work on them, he apparently didn't believe they're important. If he didn't believe they're important, he should not be managing.

rileyn · « **Reply #3131 on:** October 02, 2018, 05:31:57 pm »

PowerBoater was on this cat from the jump. It took me until spring training to see Zimm MIA, and then reading Boswell basically saying this was most fundamentally loose team he has seen, to get on my radar. I soon realized he was nothing more than a cheerleader. Once he hit tough times, he had nothing. NOthing, except to keep everybody happy so they don't turn on him. Well that started to go sideways too, until Rizzo had to step in and be the bad cop by shipping guys out of town. Yeeeesh.

UMDNats · « **Reply #3132 on:** October 02, 2018, 05:37:01 pm »

Zimm's MIA had as much to do with Rizzo and it has to do with Davey. Rizzo allowed it, too.

hotshot · « **Reply #3133 on:** October 02, 2018, 05:39:14 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on October 02, 2018, 12:36:59 pm

If Martinez was the literal devil like you seem to believe I think the team would have completely folded a long time ago. Didn't see any signs of the team saying "freak this guy."

I am hoping next year is better and am willing to give him this offseason to correct and learn. Firing him now 100% guarantees we hire another first-year manager who is a total unknown or a guy who is such a retread that he just took any job offered.

As someone else, Manny Acta II.

hotshot · « **Reply #3134 on:** October 02, 2018, 05:44:02 pm »

Wouldn't it be nice for ANY manager to have the authority to tell pitchers and speedy players, "you will learn how to bunt," or to tell dead pull hitters, "you will go the other way against the shift," etc. Or, to all batters, "you will shorten up to try to make contact with two strikes." Just day dreaming.

UMDNats · « **Reply #3135 on:** October 02, 2018, 05:51:31 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on October 02, 2018, 05:39:14 pm

As someone else, Manny Acta II.

maybe. we'll see. im skeptical of martinez but i think there were a lot of factors this year that screwed him. i think he shares a big portion of the blame but he wasn't the one taking the hill and crapting his pants every 5th day like Gio and Roark did.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #3136 on:** October 02, 2018, 06:25:19 pm »

Quote from: rileyn on October 02, 2018, 05:31:57 pm

PowerBoater was on this cat from the jump. It took me until spring training to see Zimm MIA, and then reading Boswell basically saying this was most fundamentally loose team he has seen, to get on my radar. I soon realized he was nothing more than a cheerleader. Once he hit tough times, he had nothing. NOthing, except to keep everybody happy so they don't turn on him. Well that started to go sideways too, until Rizzo had to step in and be the bad cop by shipping guys out of town. Yeeeesh.

That's a heck of a good point, zero sense of self awareness, his idea of his greatest strength couldn't be further from reality. We've had a parade of managers, good and bad, and never had a prima dona skip spring training, or a pitcher slam down his glove and glare at the manager, or the GM have to step in and remove players from the team. Martinez sits there with his scented candles burning saying "this is fine".

catocony · « **Reply #3137 on:** October 03, 2018, 01:18:10 pm »

I think Davey did improve as the season went on. I agree with Boswell that he shouldn't have been hired in the first place, but he shouldn't be fired after one season. That said, Showalter is out in Baltimore and Scosia is out in Anaheim. Either of those guys would be an excellent manager to handle the Nats in a transition year, with 2019 will certainly be.

tzinc · « **Reply #3138 on:** October 10, 2018, 11:08:56 am »

a lot of experienced proven managers out there
but they will cost more money than Davey so
the Nats will stuck with Davey

welcome to mediocrity!

Slateman · « **Reply #3139 on:** October 10, 2018, 12:33:16 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on October 02, 2018, 02:43:52 pm

Fundamentals only became important this season. You could win without them in previous seasons.

Lol sure pal

spidernat · « **Reply #3140 on:** October 10, 2018, 01:02:30 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on October 10, 2018, 12:33:16 pm

Lol sure pal

It was sarcasm you dumb ass

Ray D · « **Reply #3141 on:** October 10, 2018, 01:14:54 pm »

Quote from: tzinc on October 10, 2018, 11:08:56 am

a lot of experienced proven managers out there
but they will cost more money than Davey so
the Nats will stuck with Davey

What form is this supposed to be?

Copecwby20 · « **Reply #3142 on:** October 17, 2018, 08:28:02 pm »

The Nats will not win a World Series until we hire Ryne Sandberg as a manager..... calling it.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #3143 on:** October 17, 2018, 08:34:28 pm »

Quote from: Copecwby20 on October 17, 2018, 08:28:02 pm

The Nats will not win a World Series until we hire Ryne Sandberg as a manager..... calling it.

By most accounts he was fed up with the players of today when he quit the Phillies in 2015. He has not gone back into coaching since then. I don't think he is interested.

Copecwby20 · « **Reply #3144 on:** October 17, 2018, 08:59:35 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on October 17, 2018, 08:34:28 pm

By most accounts he was fed up with the players of today when he quit the Phillies in 2015. He has not gone back into coaching since then. I don't think he is interested.

It's not about what he wants. It's about what I want. Also... I want him to nag slap Harper in front of the cameras in a dugout during a very important game, and I want a live video reaction from Scot Boras when it happens.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #3145 on:** October 17, 2018, 09:05:59 pm »

Quote from: Copecwby20 on October 17, 2018, 08:59:35 pm

It's not about what he wants. It's about what I want. Also... I want him to nag slap Harper in front of the cameras in a dugout during a very important game, and I want a live video reaction from Scot Boras when it happens.

Harper is gone. Perhaps Ryno will succeed Madden and do that in Chicago.

Ray D · « **Reply #3146 on:** October 18, 2018, 08:22:55 am »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on October 17, 2018, 09:05:59 pm

Harper is gone. Perhaps Ryno will succeed Madden and do that in Chicago.

..... or go back to Philly and do it there.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #3147 on:** October 18, 2018, 08:39:09 am »

Imagine the pressure the Astros must be feeling right now, I'm happy for Davey that his players don't have to go through such a painful process.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #3148 on:** October 18, 2018, 09:20:32 am »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on October 18, 2018, 08:39:09 am

Imagine the pressure the Astros must be feeling right now, I'm happy for Davey that his players don't have to go through such a painful process.

I issued a "mea cupla" several weeks ago admitting I was wrong about my assrssment that DM was the best choice between Cora , Kapler, Boone Gardenshire et al when I endorsed DM for manager when the selection process was started. I'm curious who you would have preferred besides Rusty as it was already a given that Cora was going to the Sox and Giaradi was taking a year off.?

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #3149 on:** October 18, 2018, 12:15:46 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on October 18, 2018, 09:20:32 am

I issued a "mea cupla" several weeks ago admitting I was wrong about my assrssment that DM was the best choice between Cora , Kapler, Boone Gardenshire et al when I endorsed DM for manager when the selection process was started. I'm curious who you would have preferred besides Rusty as it was already a given that Cora was going to the Sox and Giaradi was taking a year off.?

Someone who has the cognative ability to express thoughts in complete sentences that rise above the repeated spewing of clichés.