PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[PowerBoater69]

@masnKerr Davey on scoreboard watching chip hale tells him after game. “We got to win.  I’ve got so much stuff going on” to check scores in game

We have a manager unable to multi task to the point that he can't check the Braves/Phillies scores in right field.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/08/17/dusty-baker-drops-truth-bombs/

Baseball media is so easy to manipulate and so freaking predictable. One of Calcaterra's "truth bombs" was the Harper bite that was, in the simplest terms, a complete lie. Dusty should continue his PR tour and talk to a bunch of loyal writers about forcing teams (but only really good teams) to hire him.

Just look at baseball writers' HoF voting habits if you want evidence of their idiocy.

[tzinc]

"I wasn't in on those decisions, obviously, but I think he got a rough shake," said Werth during an Inside Baseball episode.

"The Nats wanted to get past that first round and they didn't. They felt they would be better suited to go in a different direction.

"One thing about Dusty is he does a lot for chemistry, he does a lot inside the clubhouse that people don't see. It's tough when you win that many games and and you win two divisions and then because you don't get through the first round of the playoffs you get let go. That's tough. I don't care who you are, that's a tough shake."

Baker spent two seasons as manager and won back-to-back National League East titles, but the Nationals were eliminated in the division series both years. Under his leadership, the club went 192-132, winning 97 games in 2017 and 95 in 2016.

This season, the Nationals are one of the league's biggest disappointments. Dave Martinez, who had no previous experience as a manager, replaced Baker

[HalfSmokes]

If werth cared about Dusty’s future so much, maybe he should have told Dusty starting someone who can’t hit in the playoffs is a bad idea

[PowerBoater69]

The Nats would have won with Doolittle healthy. But we didn't fire a 97 game winning manager to hire a guy to win the easy ones. Martinez was supposed to be an upgrade, he wasn't supposed to lose close games against bad teams. At a minimum we need a guy who can tell our pitchers to throw strikes instead of constant nibbling.

[skippy1999]

The Nats would have won with Doolittle healthy. But we didn't fire a 97 game winning manager to hire a guy to win the easy ones. Martinez was supposed to be an upgrade, he wasn't supposed to lose close games against bad teams. At a minimum we need a guy who can tell our pitchers to throw strikes instead of constant nibbling.

You mean all they have to do is tell the pitchers to throw strikes?? Man I hope someone sees your post and tells Davey!

[aspenbubba]

You mean all they have to do is tell the pitchers to throw strikes?? Man I hope someone sees your post and tells Davey!

Thank you.

[Slateman]

You mean all they have to do is tell the pitchers to throw strikes?? Man I hope someone sees your post and tells Davey!

Oh and field routine ground balls for Murphy.

[Baseball is Life]

Jim Palmer used to tell a story that Earl Weaver came out to the mound when Palmer as struggling and told him to throw strikes. Palmer's reply was "thanks for the information, I was a little unclear on what my mission was out here." Something to that effect.

[imref]

I thought Martinez should have had Glover pitch the ninth on the idea that you use your closer in the bottom of the ninth in a tie home game.  But after seeing how Glover pitched the 10th, he arguably made the right call.

There's a good chance Herrera is back this week.

[bluestreak]

Jim Palmer used to tell a story that Earl Weaver came out to the mound when Palmer as struggling and told him to throw strikes. Palmer's reply was "thanks for the information, I was a little unclear on my mission was out here." Something to that effect.

Jim Palmer didn’t need reminding. Koda Glover apparently does.

[rileyn]

That was my fear with the IBB, it have Glover no margin for error.  Once he got behind 2-0, the writing was on the wall.  Not to mention that it moved another runner into scoring position.  Oh well. 

[Baseball is Life]

Jim Palmer didn’t need reminding. Koda Glover apparently does.

I guess some pitchers need to be told to be more aggressive but geez you think they know what the hell they're doing by the time they get to the MLB level.

[welch]

Lerners' hubris. "Our team is so great that we don't need Dusty. We'll get a guy who learned under Maddon, a guy who will use analytics. That's all we need."

We saw that Rizzo dropped Kintzler and Kelley to protect dave's standing in the clubhouse. dave Martinez will be given 2019, since anything else admits that they made a mistake.

2018: the fight for .500.

[PowerBoater69]

You mean all they have to do is tell the pitchers to throw strikes?? Man I hope someone sees your post and tells Davey!

Yes, exactly that. The bottom half of the Marlins line-up is AA level and the top half isn't much better besides Realmuto but for some reason the Nats pitchers were afraid of them. Martinez wasn't any better, IBB for a guy with a .640 OPS, I don't care how he hit a different pitcher earlier in the game.

Only thing I can think of in defense of that performance was maybe our bullpen was afraid to have any more balls hit towards second base.

[PowerBoater69]

Jim Palmer didn’t need reminding. Koda Glover apparently does.

Right

[dcpatti]

Yes, exactly that. The bottom half of the Marlins line-up is AA level and the top half isn't much better besides Realmuto but for some reason the Nats pitchers were afraid of them. Martinez wasn't any better, IBB for a guy with a .640 OPS, I don't care how he hit a different pitcher earlier in the game.

Only thing I can think of in defense of that performance was maybe our bullpen was afraid to have any more balls hit towards second base.

This is an unsurprisingly bad take.  So what if the dude has only one or two hot streaks all year? When he’s in one of them, you handle him accordingly.  Heck, Bryce  was a .210 hitter like 2 weeks ago and no one would think twice about him getting IBB right now or even 2 weeks ago .

[tomwvr]

Lerners' hubris. "Our team is so great that we don't need Dusty. We'll get a guy who learned under Maddon, a guy who will use analytics. That's all we need."

We saw that Rizzo dropped Kintzler and Kelley to protect dave's standing in the clubhouse. dave Martinez will be given 2019, since anything else admits that they made a mistake.

2018: the fight for .500.

They will blame this on all the injuries.
I don’t blame this on Rizzo . This was the Lerner’s hire.

In retro they should have kept dusty for a last run with Harper

[Natsinpwc]

They will blame this on all the injuries.
I don’t blame this on Rizzo . This was the Lerner’s hire.

In retro they should have kept dusty for a last run with Harper

Rizzo takes blame just like everyone else. Did not get a catcher. Had no back up plan at 2B with Murphy being out so long. No starting pitching depth.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Rizzo takes blame just like everyone else. Did not get a catcher. Had no back up plan at 2B with Murphy being out so long. No starting pitching depth.

re second base - I think their record was better with Kendrick / Difo at 2d than Murphy.  I think the decline hit when Murphy, Eaton, and Zimmerman came back. Not saying cause and effect, but I don't think the plan at 2d was fatal.

[dcpatti]

Rizzo takes blame just like everyone else. Did not get a catcher. Had no back up plan at 2B with Murphy being out so long. No starting pitching depth.

The backup 2B was raking before he ruptured his Achilles.

[varoadking]

The backup 2B was raking before he ruptured his Achilles.

I miss Howie... 

[Jeff in Gaithersburg]

They will blame this on all the injuries.
I don’t blame this on Rizzo . This was the Lerner’s hire.

In retro they should have kept dusty for a last run with Harper

Some blame is on Rizzo, plenty on Mark Lerner, plenty on injuries, plenty on the hitting coach, plenty on Davey, some on Bryce, Gio, Tanner, some on Bogar as well. More than enough blame to go around for just about everyone involved with this organization this season.   

[Natsinpwc]

The backup 2B was raking before he ruptured his Achilles.

I had forgotten that. My bad. He really couldn’t play defense either.

Forgive me Mike.

[Natsinpwc]

I miss Howie... 

Wonder if he can come back. Not easy from an Achilles.