PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I think he was a good manager. I think the majority of people on this board and even in DC maybe think he's an imbecile.

I think you have an aversion to shades of grey.

I'm far from a Dusty backer, but I wouldn't call the guy an imbecile.  He's a good manager who can't get it done in the postseason and thus isn't the right fit for a franchise that's been a couple of steps away from a deep postseason run since 2012.  I think a lot of his detractors, you might be surprised to find, would agree with that.

I do agree with you that he was given absolute bullcrap treatment on his way out, but what can we do?  We can't fire the owners.

[rileyn]

Since everyone has an opinion on Dusty that will never achieve consensus on this board why doesn’t someone recite the managers who were treated unfairly. Williams Riggleman Acta the real Davey? Maybe there could be an argument for Robinson. Were they underpaid. My research showed that Dusty was the middle of the pack. The Lerner’s don’t like long term contracts but yet they gave 3 years to DM.

Besides PB69 who was adamantly against DM’s hire. And who did you want of the seven who were eventually hired for the positions that were open. Giarardi wasn’t going to manage this year. And did you post it prior to ST?

I would have been fine with keeping Dusty.  Back to back division titles is what it is.  However, as to your point about who would we have preferred.......that's not my job.  I don't have a rolodex and contacts that I've accumulated through years and years of being in the game.  That is Rizzo's job and I would suggest to him, after his last 2 rookie manager hires, that he throws away his rolodex and simply calls PowerBoater69 for advice. 

[mitlen]

I'm biased.    I liked Dusty and felt he shouldn't have been fired based on his record in DC.    If nothing else, he shouldn't have been treated so unprofessionally.    I never felt Maddon or any one in his orbit was a genius and deserved some sort of break.    I'm with DJ (the real Davey).    Maddon was/is a weird wuss.    I believe the Martinez offer to manage was a pre-firing of Dusty decision.    The Lerners and Rizzo (to some degree) should be careful what they wish for because now they have it.

[PowerBoater69]

I would have been fine with keeping Dusty.  Back to back division titles is what it is.  However, as to your point about who would we have preferred.......that's not my job.  I don't have a rolodex and contacts that I've accumulated through years and years of being in the game.  That is Rizzo's job and I would suggest to him, after his last 2 rookie manager hires, that he throws away his rolodex and simply calls PowerBoater69 for advice. 

I would be happy to advise Rizzo on the next hire, I'll send over my contact info and standard consultant fee structure.

[varoadking]

If nothing else, he shouldn't have been treated so unprofessionally.

I think everyone should be able to agree with this...it was a bush league move by the Nats to call him, what, the day after he left town, instead of meeting with him face-to-face...

[PowerBoater69]

I'm biased.    I liked Dusty and felt he shouldn't have been fired based on his record in DC.    If nothing else, he shouldn't have been treated so unprofessionally.    I never felt Maddon or any one in his orbit was a genius and deserved some sort of break.    I'm with DJ (the real Davey).    Maddon was/is a weird wuss.    I believe Martinez offer to manage was a pre-firing of Dusty decision.    The Lerners and Rizzo (to some degree) should be careful what they wish for because now they have it.

[mitlen]

#Standard Decision        Gotta have a plan in place.

[HalfSmokes]

Since everyone has an opinion on Dusty that will never achieve consensus on this board why doesn’t someone recite the managers who were treated unfairly. Williams Riggleman Acta the real Davey? Maybe there could be an argument for Robinson. Were they underpaid. My research showed that Dusty was the middle of the pack. The Lerner’s don’t like long term contracts but yet they gave 3 years to DM.

Besides PB69 who was adamantly against DM’s hire. And who did you want of the seven who were eventually hired for the positions that were open. Giarardi wasn’t going to manage this year. And did you post it prior to ST?

On their own, I’d say none, but as a group, the repeated two year tenures are going to give any prospective manager pause. We blew out two managers in a row who won manager of the year- if you have a choice between here and anywhere, which do you think offers more stability?

[mitlen]

And to think Walter Alston had 23 one year contracts with the Dodgers.

[LoveAngelos]

 

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I think Maddon is a smart guy/good manager (despite being a Davey Johnson fan), but that's never a guarantee of competent disciples.  There's a reason Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick have total dead ends for coaching trees.

[varoadking]

I think Maddon is a smart guy/good manager (despite being a Davey Johnson fan), but that's never a guarantee of competent disciples.  There's a reason Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick have total dead ends for coaching trees.

Thank you for not mentioning a certain name... 

[Natsinpwc]

I'm biased.    I liked Dusty and felt he shouldn't have been fired based on his record in DC.    If nothing else, he shouldn't have been treated so unprofessionally.    I never felt Maddon or any one in his orbit was a genius and deserved some sort of break.    I'm with DJ (the real Davey).    Maddon was/is a weird wuss.    I believe the Martinez offer to manage was a pre-firing of Dusty decision.    The Lerners and Rizzo (to some degree) should be careful what they wish for because now they have it.

I didn’t mind them letting him go. But it was certainly done in a very unprofessional manner. That reflects badly on the ownership and management. And would make it hard to attract an established manager such as Girardi.

[Natsinpwc]

Thank you for not mentioning a certain name... 

Matt Patricia is doomed!

[varoadking]

Matt Patricia is doomed!

[aspenbubba]

On their own, I’d say none, but as a group, the repeated two year tenures are going to give any prospective manager pause. We blew out two managers in a row who won manager of the year- if you have a choice between here and anywhere, which do you think offers more stability?

And that’s why Williams and Baker had lines out their doors for teams wanting to sign them. Give me a freakin break. Probably half the forum could produce the same results with those rosters.

[HalfSmokes]

And that’s why Williams and Baker had lines out their doors for teams wanting to sign them. Give me a freakin break. Probably half the forum could produce the same results with those rosters.

True, but if you’re a manager looking for a job, are you going to the team that’s going to fire you after two years?

[aBaltoNat]

True, but if you’re a manager looking for a job, are you going to the team that’s going to fire you after two years?

If I want to be a manager bad enough, yes. Especially that I think I'm better than the previous guys and can actually make a run with a very talented team.

You guys keep up with this crap constantly but it's BS. You are under estimating the egos of guys who want to manage MLB ball clubs.

This isn't you and your insecurities. These are Alphas.

[bluestreak]

If I want to be a managerbad enough, yes. Especially that I think I'm better than the previous guys and can actually make a run with a very talented team.

You guys keep up with this crap constantly but it's BS. You are under estimating the egos of guys who want to manage MLB ball clubs.

If you’ve got choices, you absolutely wouldn’t. That leaves teams that screw with managers with candidates that don’t have choices. You want they guys that have options.

[aBaltoNat]

If you’ve got choices, you absolutely wouldn’t. That leaves teams that screw with managers with candidates that don’t have choices. You want they guys that have options.

Beta.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Beta.

[PowerBoater69]

After six months of pushing the Nats are realizing that their playoff hopes are over, the next couple weeks will be ugly. The final question for Martinez this year is whether the team will turn against him as they did with Williams in 2015 or if he can pull them together to finish strong playing for just individual stats, professional pride, and the chance to be a spoiler.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I think Maddon is a smart guy/good manager (despite being a Davey Johnson fan), but that's never a guarantee of competent disciples.  There's a reason Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick have total dead ends for coaching trees.

Thank you for not mentioning a certain name... 

for the benefit of VaRK - Matt Patricia!

Bill O'Brian isn't bad, either. We'll see how Vrabel does.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

for the benefit of VaRK - Matt Patricia!

Bill O'Brian isn't bad, either. We'll see how Vrabel does.

We have some wait-and-see cases, but so far (Crennel, Weis, Mangini, McDaniels in Denver) everything has been a crapshow.

[Air Desmond]

After six months of pushing the Nats are realizing that their playoff hopes are over, the next couple weeks will be ugly. The final question for Martinez this year is whether the team will turn against him as they did with Williams in 2015 or if he can pull them together to finish strong playing for just individual stats, professional pride, and the chance to be a spoiler.

If Sunday was the nail in the coffin, Monday was the funeral. This season is dead. It will be interesting to see if Davey can keep “THE BOYS” together.