2018-2019 Offseason Moves

[Greg_SRT]

I want Kimbrel here for sure. I want him here to pitch when Doo can't. If I can throw out Kimbrel and then Doo in a game, our chances to win go up.

However I want him few years with high salary.

[hotshot]

I want Kimbrel here for sure. I want him here to pitch when Doo can't. If I can throw out Kimbrel and then Doo in a game, our chances to win go up.

However I want him few years with high salary.

Rosenthal seems to be looking good, last I checked. Might turn out better than Kimbrel.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I think sign a few veteran starters and minor league FAs and move them to the pen at Harrisburg for a month or so.  You'll know which ones are taking to the conversion.  Heck, I might even try this with Voth at this point.

[Natsinpwc]

I think sign a few veteran starters and minor league FAs and move them to the pen at Harrisburg for a month or so.  You'll know which ones are taking to the conversion.  Heck, I might even try this with Voth at this point.

Gio!

[Greg_SRT]

Rosenthal seems to be looking good, last I checked. Might turn out better than Kimbrel.

But that's irrelevant. Doolittle, Rosenthal can't pitch every game. We get into stretches of 15 games straight... players are gonna need rest. It's about depth. Depth when guys get fatigued and when they get aches.

Doo has seen the DL each of the last few seasons. Can this team in this division afford to give up games?

We win this division last season if we won 9 more games. And look at the guys we were missing for 30 games at least each. Stras, Zimm, Doo, Murph, Howie.

There will be points in the season were we Starters don't go more than 5. When the back end of the bullpen are required for a bunch of innings in a short period games.

Do you really want to see Solis throwing in the 9th because Doo and Rosenthal need a day of rest minimum? Last year (iirc) we had 14 total Blown Saves. Doo accounted for only 1. So 13 when Doo didn't go for the save.

If we stay healthy and don't lose core players for months at a time... we win this division.

But Doo sees the DL every season so far. And Rosenthal is just coming off of TJ.

[varoadking]

But that's irrelevant. Doolittle, Rosenthal can't pitch every game. We get into stretches of 15 games straight... players are gonna need rest. It's about depth. Depth when guys get fatigued and when they get aches.

Doo has seen the DL each of the last few seasons. Can this team in this division afford to give up games?

We win this division last season if we won 9 more games. And look at the guys we were missing for 30 games at least each. Stras, Zimm, Doo, Murph, Howie.

There will be points in the season were we Starters don't go more than 5. When the back end of the bullpen are required for a bunch of innings in a short period games.

Do you really want to see Solis throwing in the 9th because Doo and Rosenthal need a day of rest minimum? Last year (iirc) we had 14 total Blown Saves. Doo accounted for only 1. So 13 when Doo didn't go for the save.

If we stay healthy and don't lose core players for months at a time... we win this division.

But Doo sees the DL every season so far. And Rosenthal is just coming off of TJ.

Maybe if money was no object...but it is...

[Greg_SRT]

Maybe if money was no object...but it is...

For who? The billion dollar owners that want to win? It’s not and the luxury tax isn’t a salary cap.

But the time (at least imo) isn’t deep enough in their farm to make the trades for those bullpen arms. But they aren’t thin in cash.

[varoadking]

For who? The billion dollar owners that want to win? It’s not and the luxury tax isn’t a salary cap.

These guys aren't going to empty their wallets just because you want them to...neither are any of the other 29 Owners...

[Greg_SRT]

These guys aren't going to empty their wallets just because you want them to...neither are any of the other 29 Owners...

? I wouldn’t assume they would.

I assume they want to win since they are spending money.

[varoadking]

? I wouldn’t assume they would.

I assume they want to win since they are spending money.

Whatever...

[Slateman]

For who? The billion dollar owners that want to win? It’s not and the luxury tax isn’t a salary cap.

But the time (at least imo) isn’t deep enough in their farm to make the trades for those bullpen arms. But they aren’t thin in cash.

It's clearly an issue because if it wasnt, Harper would still be a National.

[Count Walewski]

Kimbrel would really have to come down in his salary negotiations AND years to work financially for the Nats. I certainly do not want to sign a reliever on the wrong side of 30 to a long term deal.

And every news story that comes out about Kimbrel is about how he does NOT want to come down from what he thinks he's worth.

[Slateman]

And Kimbrel would have to close. Did anyone see him this postseason? I dont want him here

[Greg_SRT]

It's clearly an issue because if it wasnt, Harper would still be a National.

Pretty irrelevant thinking imo. Using that thinking, every team besides the Phillies are strapped for cash.

Why are the Dodgers, Giants,, Cubs... all teams besides the Phillies without Harper.

[Slateman]

Pretty irrelevant thinking imo. Using that thinking, every team besides the Phillies are strapped for cash.

Why are the Dodgers, Giants,, Cubs... all teams besides the Phillies without Harper.

Because none of them wanted to pay for him

[Greg_SRT]

Because none of them wanted to pay for him

Yeah. Nationals made their offer to Bryce (whatever that actually was). One of the few teams that actually did. Continued to have conversations with him even after signing Corbin and a few others.

So yes, the Nationals want to win. And they are willing to go above the luxury tax.

[Slateman]

Yeah. Nationals made their offer to Bryce (whatever that actually was). One of the few teams that actually did. Continued to have conversations with him even after signing Corbin and a few others.

So yes, the Nationals want to win. And they are willing to go above the luxury tax.

The Nats offer would have kept them under. The reason for the offer not being on the table anymore was because they weren't willing to go over.

[Greg_SRT]

The Nats offer would have kept them under. The reason for the offer not being on the table anymore was because they weren't willing to go over.

They've been over the last 2 seasons.

I'll say this again.

We needed to win 9 more games last season. We blew 13 saves last year without DooLittle pitching. Would those 13 have been blown saves if Doo was pitching? Most certainly not. Doo went 25 of 26 in save opportunities last season.

Murphy missed 71 games last year total.

Zimmerman missed 77 games

Strasburg missed 10 starts

Howie missed 122 games

Doolittle missed 58-59 days last year.

9 games more we needed to win.

This is the most talented team top to bottom the Nationals have ever put on the field (on paper). They are the most talented team in the division (on paper)

Do they have the depth and health to be that thru 162. We won't know until the 162 has been played.

But we need to strengthen our farm system, not remove more from it. We've done enough of that. So the other option is to spend the money.

[Slateman]

They were over last season and Rizzo wasnt able to spend at the deadline.

The Lerners put the offer on the table and then pulled it so Rizzo couuse that money on other free agents. If they were willing to go over the threshold, Harper would be in DC.

[Greg_SRT]

They were over last season and Rizzo wasnt able to spend at the deadline.

The Lerners put the offer on the table and then pulled it so Rizzo couuse that money on other free agents. If they were willing to go over the threshold, Harper would be in DC.

They offered 10/300

Perhaps they just weren’t willing to offer more than that. They signed Corbin and a few others. And continued talks with him. Stop acting like they pulled the offer, walked away from Harper. They were still pursuing Harper after many offseason signings.

The Nationals just weren’t willing to go higher.

[varoadking]

The Nationals just weren’t willing to go higher.

 

So you finally get it... money is an issue...

[Slateman]

They offered 10/300

Perhaps they just weren’t willing to offer more than that. They signed Corbin and a few others. And continued talks with him. Stop acting like they pulled the offer, walked away from Harper. They were still pursuing Harper after many offseason signings.

The Nationals just weren’t willing to go higher.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/nationals/exclusive-nats-owner-mark-lerner-says-they-havent-heard-bryce-harper-and-scott-boras

They were done when he declined the offer. They executed a different plan. Again, if they wanted to go over the threshold, Harper would be here. They didnt want to for Harper. They're certainly not going to do it for a 30 year old reliever who relies on upper 90s to get outs and has only surpassed 1.5 WAR once in the last four seasons.

[Greg_SRT]

So you finally get it...

? Nope I don’t.

They wouldn’t be offering Kimbrel 10/300.

[varoadking]

? Nope I don’t.

 

[Greg_SRT]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/nationals/exclusive-nats-owner-mark-lerner-says-they-havent-heard-bryce-harper-and-scott-boras

They were done when he declined the offer. They executed a different plan. Again, if they wanted to go over the threshold, Harper would be here. They didnt want to for Harper. They're certainly not going to do it for a 30 year old reliever who relies on upper 90s to get outs and has only surpassed 1.5 WAR once in the last four seasons.

And yet old man Ted met with Harper on Christmas Eve right? 2 months after the Nats “walked away” from Harper.