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Offline imref

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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #275 on: August 29, 2018, 09:53:55 am »
I wish the Braves didn't exist, because it seems there's no doubt we'll pass the Phillies, and some said that was impossible 3 weeks ago.

Braves have a tough 9 game stretch starting labour day.  3 against the Red Sox, and then a 6 game west coast trip.   Our schedule is tough too, but we're at home.  Shave 2-3 games off the Braves lead during that stretch and we're 5-6 back before the Braves series.  Win that series, or better yet sweep it, and we're 2-4 back with 9 straight games against the Mets and Marlins.   

One thing about this season is the door has always been open if we could somehow figure things out.   Figuring the things out has proven to be an awfully big challenge though.

This was before last night, it covers games from August 28 through the end of the season.


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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #276 on: August 29, 2018, 10:06:38 am »
If nothing else, there are only two teams to blow a WC lead of 8 games or more on September 1st. Barves were one of them that did it.  If they can blow an eight game lead in September, they can blow a smaller one.

*edit: Don't get me wrong - I think we're toast this season. But until the math says otherwise, folks are allowed to keep on wishing.
Not sure what you mean. The Braves are 8 games ahead of the Nats and it’s 9 in the loss column. Several teams ahead of them in the wild card.

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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #277 on: August 29, 2018, 10:31:57 am »
Not sure what you mean. The Braves are 8 games ahead of the Nats and it’s 9 in the loss column. Several teams ahead of them in the wild card.

Not saying the Nats will win anything. Just noting that the Braves have blown an 8 game lead in September. The only team to do worse was the Red Sox blowing 8 1/2. Same season. Why we have a 2nd wildcard now.

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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #278 on: August 29, 2018, 04:11:45 pm »
I wish the Braves didn't exist, because it seems there's no doubt we'll pass the Phillies, and some said that was impossible 3 weeks ago.

Braves have a tough 9 game stretch starting labour day.  3 against the Red Sox, and then a 6 game west coast trip.   Our schedule is tough too, but we're at home.  Shave 2-3 games off the Braves lead during that stretch and we're 5-6 back before the Braves series.  Win that series, or better yet sweep it, and we're 2-4 back with 9 straight games against the Mets and Marlins.   

One thing about this season is the door has always been open if we could somehow figure things out.   Figuring the things out has proven to be an awfully big challenge though.

Need to sweep the Braves and nearly sweep the Phillies,  then hope against hope that the Braves fall apart.  Also, Doolittle needs to return ASAP.

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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #279 on: August 29, 2018, 05:48:58 pm »
Need to sweep the Braves and nearly sweep the Phillies,  then hope against hope that the Braves fall apart.  Also, Doolittle needs to return ASAP.

Yup, this plus an extra 30 games that don't exist...

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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #280 on: August 29, 2018, 11:44:38 pm »
Back to .500.  These guys really need to get at least one win streak longer than three games before the end of the season.  A small goal, but a goal.

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Re: August 28th - 67-66, need to go 22-7 to take the division
« Reply #281 on: August 30, 2018, 12:06:53 am »
Back to .500.  These guys really need to get at least one win streak longer than three games before the end of the season.  A small goal, but a goal.

It's the small victories.

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #282 on: August 30, 2018, 12:54:05 am »
Another standard Gio outing. Gives up a 2 run single to the pitcher. Nats storm back with 5 runs. How does Gio repay their efforts? By serving up a grand slam.

The sweep was there for the taking. So frustrating. Team hasn’t won 4 in a row since May.

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #283 on: August 31, 2018, 06:14:34 pm »


The sweep was there for the taking. So frustrating. Team hasn’t won 4 in a row since May.

That, to me, is the most astounding part of this season. I mean even some of the truly bad Nats teams managed 5 game win streaks I believe. This team is simply allergic to any sort of sustained stretch of success and that's what's killed them(because every team is going to go .500 for big chunks of the year).

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #284 on: September 01, 2018, 12:19:34 am »
1/14 with risp.

Chacin was begging to get lit up. Nats get 1 measly run.

Fitting end to the game. Did anybody actually think Bryce was going to deliver?

What a cruel season.

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #285 on: September 01, 2018, 01:17:53 am »
1/14 with risp.

Chacin was begging to get lit up. Nats get 1 measly run.

Fitting end to the game. Did anybody actually think Bryce was going to deliver?

What a cruel season.

Right -- it was quite the accomplishment to score only one run with so many scoring opportunities and such a mediocre pitching performance by Chacin.
Note: Difo is well below 50% RBI successful with a runner at 3rd and less than two out. 

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #286 on: September 01, 2018, 08:50:31 am »
1/14 with risp.

Chacin was begging to get lit up. Nats get 1 measly run.

Fitting end to the game. Did anybody actually think Bryce was going to deliver?

What a cruel season.
I was there, hanging in the rain, saying "we have our two big offensive veterans studs up with the bases loaded, Harper and Rendon."  Long AB out of Bryce, but you had to figure he was going to see a curve on the first pitch. 

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #287 on: September 01, 2018, 10:51:53 am »
That, to me, is the most astounding part of this season. I mean even some of the truly bad Nats teams managed 5 game win streaks I believe. This team is simply allergic to any sort of sustained stretch of success and that's what's killed them(because every team is going to go .500 for big chunks of the year).

They were on a 13-2 streak, then had that idiotic week with the two-game series with the Yankees on Tues/Wed, with both Mon and Thurs as scheduled off days.  With the rain, they only got half of the Tuesday game in.  It was about the same as an all-star break, and they came out of it looking like crap.  Amazing.

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Re: August 29th - 67-67, need to go 22-6 to take the division
« Reply #288 on: September 01, 2018, 11:04:25 am »
They were on a 13-2 streak, then had that idiotic week with the two-game series with the Yankees on Tues/Wed, with both Mon and Thurs as scheduled off days.  With the rain, they only got half of the Tuesday game in.  It was about the same as an all-star break, and they came out of it looking like crap.  Amazing.
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Re: Sept 1st - 68-68, need to go 21-5 to take the division
« Reply #289 on: September 02, 2018, 09:46:44 am »
Back to .500. 

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Re: Sept 1st - 68-68, need to go 21-5 to take the division
« Reply #290 on: September 02, 2018, 11:53:08 am »
Les Barves are 75-60. 27 games left.   Lets say, for grins and giggles, they go 12-12 in their non-Nats games.  We are 68-68.  We would need to go 19-4 in our non-Barves games to get to 87-72, making @ Barves series winner take all. 18-5 & we take the Barves series 2-1, we get a playoff.  Our best stretch of the year was from 4/29- 5/30, when we went 22-6.

By the way, to show you how messed up this year, our Pythag record (based on runs scored and allowed) is 76-60.  8 games worse.  Tells you about performance in close games and the effect of some huge blowouts on stats.

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Re: Sept 1st - 68-68, need to go 21-5 to take the division
« Reply #291 on: September 02, 2018, 07:28:57 pm »
This is clearly a season where the whole is less than the sum of the parts.  Lots of close losses, and except for May, no real times when all four pieces - starting pitching, relief pitching, hitting and defense - were all in sync.  With the combo of blowout wins and the huge number of offense shutouts, the pythagorian record is really amazing.  Feast or famine sucks, mostly on the hitting side.  I think Kevin Long is certainly gone after this season, as he clearly screwed up a lot of guys swings this season.  They will probably keep Davey, but most of the coaching staff will be gone.

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Re: Sept 2nd - 68-69, need to go 21-4 to take the division
« Reply #292 on: September 02, 2018, 11:27:30 pm »
Les Barves are 75-60. 27 games left.   Lets say, for grins and giggles, they go 12-12 in their non-Nats games.  We are 68-68.  We would need to go 19-4 in our non-Barves games to get to 87-72, making @ Barves series winner take all. 18-5 & we take the Barves series 2-1, we get a playoff.  Our best stretch of the year was from 4/29- 5/30, when we went 22-6.

By the way, to show you how messed up this year, our Pythag record (based on runs scored and allowed) is 76-60.  8 games worse.  Tells you about performance in close games and the effect of some huge blowouts on stats.

Big summer blowout!


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Re: Sept 2nd - 68-69, need to go 21-4 to take the division
« Reply #293 on: September 03, 2018, 08:18:01 am »
Seems like today’s game is the last “must win” on the schedule.

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Re: Sept 2nd - 68-69, need to go 21-4 to take the division
« Reply #294 on: September 04, 2018, 01:42:28 pm »
What happens after we need to go something like 18-0 and lose?  Do we push boldly onward with this, negative losses included?

Les Barves are 75-60. 27 games left.   Lets say, for grins and giggles, they go 12-12 in their non-Nats games.  We are 68-68.  We would need to go 19-4 in our non-Barves games to get to 87-72, making @ Barves series winner take all. 18-5 & we take the Barves series 2-1, we get a playoff.  Our best stretch of the year was from 4/29- 5/30, when we went 22-6.

By the way, to show you how messed up this year, our Pythag record (based on runs scored and allowed) is 76-60.  8 games worse.  Tells you about performance in close games and the effect of some huge blowouts on stats.

That's actually a decent amount of it. The Nats' four biggest losses this year are 11-0, 12-1, 12-2, and 10-2, a total of -40 runs.  The four biggest wins are 25-4, 15-0, 18-4, and 15-2.  That's 63 runs, or a difference of roughly 2 expected wins over the -40 depending on which version of the wins formula you use.  Either way, the formulas regress to the mean, so it's pretty unusual to see middling teams with run differentials that are either strongly positive or strongly negative, but the phenomenon above (non-normal distribution) does go some way to explaining it. 

It's also probably fair to point out that even a 76-60 Pythagorean record is only .558, or a 90-91 win pace.  That's not a team that could justifiably feel too shafted at not making the playoffs, despite the fact that it would be right there with the Barves right now.

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Re: Sept 2nd - 68-69, need to go 21-4 to take the division
« Reply #295 on: September 04, 2018, 01:43:45 pm »
I say go on until the Tragic Number is zero.

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Re: Sept 2nd - 68-69, need to go 21-4 to take the division
« Reply #296 on: September 04, 2018, 01:54:25 pm »
I think it shows how weird the season is that the Nats are keeping guys in the minors for the playoffs there install of calling them up to play here.

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Re: Sept 3rd - 69-69, need to go 20-4 to take the division
« Reply #297 on: September 04, 2018, 03:27:33 pm »
I think we can knock out the four losses relatively quickly.

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Re: Sept 3rd - 69-70, need to go 20-3 to take the division
« Reply #298 on: September 05, 2018, 06:45:23 am »
20-3.  We can do this. 

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Re: Sept 3rd - 69-69, need to go 20-4 to take the division
« Reply #299 on: September 05, 2018, 09:07:55 am »
I think we can knock out the four losses relatively quickly.

The Cubs can handle that.